D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

Started Aug 17, 2006 | Discussions
Arturo Fukuda Senior Member • Posts: 1,251
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

This guy is really funny
f8 vs f5 is not comparable.

Spines on the cactus look soft, thats for sure, but it seems to be a soft lens rather than a soft image processing.
BUT if you own a DSRL you MUST know that....how come?

jagge wrote:

They might be pretty good but they are no way near the D30.
Especially the 3200. For the canon the 3200 is almost as good as
the 1600. This is ceartainly not true for the D80.

And with sharpness as you say its also in 30D favour. Look at the
spines on the cactus.

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Arturo Fukuda Senior Member • Posts: 1,251
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

Now, I agree

dr_elis wrote:
I was referring in particular to the "stone bird", the cactus
spines look good on my screen.

jagge wrote:

And with sharpness as you say its also in 30D favour. Look at the
spines on the cactus.

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Arturo Fukuda Senior Member • Posts: 1,251
totally agree..Clean images from Iso 100 to 800 nt wow!!!
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dr_elis Senior Member • Posts: 1,162
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

The trouble is caused by these non-standardized conditions they use for comparing things, awfully confusing to do it this way.

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
Laughing is the easy way out.

Arturo Fukuda wrote:

you really make me laugh.
poor guy....

Yeahh right. Laughing is the easy way out of this you put your self in. So just laugh if that makes you feel better, but the only joke here is you.

Maybe you should try to keep to the issue at hand, and I would like to hear you seriously suggest that iso 3200 is better on the Nikon ?

You can then suggest that it isnt important for you, that its way better than the D200 and that the difference wont matter in the real world. But all that doesnt clear the fact that the 3200 (in this test) just looks a lot better from the canon.

So dont use the troll argument so quickly just because this is all you can think of.

Jakob

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
How come what ?

BUT if you own a DSRL you MUST know that....how come?

What do you want to know. Please put forward a precise question if you want a precise answer.

And i have by no means suggested that this test is the whole truth about these cameras.

What i have suggested is that the 30D pictures to me seems much better at high iso. And yes i do own a Nikon dlsr, but i do believe that iam pretty much without bias. Actually i want D80 to be better but its hard to interpret the pictures here like that.

Your only suggestions is that posters who find the 30D to be better performers here are trolls, and that any benefit towards the canon is just bound to be because of bad test setup. So much for your neutrality.

Jakob

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WoW impressive!!! (nt)
jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
Re: As feared...

sandy b wrote:

I disagree. While the 30D shot is "Slightly" cleaner at 1600 and
3200, it does not have as much detail as the D80. It is also shot
at F8. I feel that up to iso 800 the D80 clearly is as good or
better than the 30D. Again, purely my opinion, without seeing the
true test results this is all conjecture.

Well i guess you are right. What i just dont understand is that you find the D80 to have more detail. I see it just opposite so there we have it. I guess its quite subjective, but look at the thorns for instance. I could be because of bad lenses offcourse so i will also wait for dpreview test.

But to say that they are equal in noise, which isnt depending on glass quality I find rather odd. To me the 30D is clearly better.

Best wishes

Jakob

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
well i can try

Can you explain why you like the 30D better?

I think they look much smoother, but without loos of detail. I dont agree that they have less detail than the D80.

But i grant you that the biggest difference is at iso 3200 were the canon is truly impressive. But i guess this comes down to personal preference. I think its difficult to talk about colors since we dont know what have been done on whitebalance.

I would prefer that both was calibrated before test.

Best wishes

Jakob

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
Yes its just you :0) (nt)

Mogambo wrote:

is it just me or is the image at 1600 and 3200 is sharper for the
D80 as compared to the Canon 30D?

sandy b
sandy b Veteran Member • Posts: 9,334
Re: As feared...

Look at the fibers along the edge of the rabbit, much cleaner on the Nikon, and the edges on the coler sample are much cleaner and deliniated on the nikon

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ovrebekk Veteran Member • Posts: 4,460
Re: So nice of them to..

So nice of them to use textured background paper on ISO testing

I know. The wall itself looks pretty noisy. Freaked me out too

vari001 Contributing Member • Posts: 815
Re: As feared...

As proposed i compared both 30d and d80's at ISO1600 color charts on the picture side by side and Nikon has more saturated colors and is overally sharper. 30d has darker background, thus difficult to compare. At first glance it seems that 30d is a little bit OOF compared to d80. I like d80 more, note i have Canon cameras...

But, if you shift both pictures so that you see plant and white label in front of dark gray background then 30d has less noise. Generally Canon is softer and maybe that's the trick hiding noise?

jagge wrote:

takaJ wrote:

D80 Condition:Pre-production
photo condition:Moe:Program, AF:Single-Area AF Mode/center AF point

As feared they just dont seem to be able to live up to the 30D. It
seems that the 30D is almost better at iso 3200 than the D80 is at
1600.

Its a damn shame I think. Its becoming more and more clear that
they have a problem staying with sony, I can for the life of me not
understand why they dont embark on a collaberation with Fuju.

Best wishes

Jakob

thw Veteran Member • Posts: 8,089
Agreed. Nikon is...

carrying on its tradition of having an inverse relation between sensor quality (especially at high ISO shooting) and camera price.

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thw Veteran Member • Posts: 8,089
Quite the opposite

But, if you shift both pictures so that you see plant and white
label in front of dark gray background then 30d has less noise.
Generally Canon is softer and maybe that's the trick hiding noise?

Actually quite the opposite. Just look at the plant at ISO 1600. It is pretty obvious the 30D has far better detail retention while keeping the noise low than the D80.

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jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
OK iam neutral now.

label in front of dark gray background then 30d has less noise.
Generally Canon is softer and maybe that's the trick hiding noise?

Ok heres my final take I have now been looking a bit more. I absolutely still think that canon has less noise, and more smooth clean pictures. BUT i can also see the point that in some areas of fur the nikon seems to have more detail.

Its difficult to judge if this is due to focus or something else. This is a general problem here that its taken with large aperture.

So noise winner canon, Nikon might win on detail.

Best wishes

Jakob

ianz28 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,382
Again Jaggae?

You are looking for any excuse to not like this camera. You were the first person to post a negative D80 thread about your supreme dissapointment with nikon for not making this a D200 (5 fps) with a plastic body for $800.

Now your back to stir up the pot again. With your contrived 30d vs D80 comments.

Your now going to make comparisons using ISO 3200.

I looked closely at the 30d image at ISO1600 and the D80 image at ISO1600. Guess what....... they look equal to me!!!! (slightly different exposures....but, the noise performance is about equal).

as many told you before. Buy the 30d and be done with Nikon already. Your negativity is tiresome.
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jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
thats the kind of statement

thw wrote:

carrying on its tradition of having an inverse relation between
sensor quality (especially at high ISO shooting) and camera price.

That makes it so easy for poster to yell troll at you. Kind of irretating offcourse it isnt as simple as that.

Jakob

ianz28 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,382
Re: Agreed. Nikon is...

thw wrote:

carrying on its tradition of having an inverse relation between
sensor quality (especially at high ISO shooting) and camera price.

noise reduction has very little to do with a sensors quality. The D2x outresolves a good portion of lenses........yet, the in camera noise reduction is minimal. Does that mean the sensor is poor?

I think you might be a little confused here.

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jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
Grow up.

Now your back to stir up the pot again. With your contrived 30d vs
D80 comments.

So is this your best argument, please try and be a bit more serious. You make a joke of yourself.

I give my opinion and take care to be neutral. I have in this thread even stated that it offcourse is quite subjective what is considered the best result. Subjectivety seems to be your strongest side so you should be able to grasp this.

Just try to stick to the case at hand and state your opinion, instead of your rather childish attempts to smudge me.

Jakob

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