D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

Started Aug 17, 2006 | Discussions
Steve Friedman
Steve Friedman Junior Member • Posts: 47
Re: D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

Did anyone else notice some blue fringe in first landscape (in large branches to the left) and in top and right of the bird head? Other than that, certainly beats out my D70s for noise at any of the higher ISO settings, but not surprised. i would hate to drop $1,000 (of even more for a D200), but ....

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jeff-c Senior Member • Posts: 2,096
a100 is rated 1/3 lower than standard

Let's don't be so quick jumping into conclusion yet.

The a100 and D80 aperature/shutter combinations are different. E.g. for ISO 800 the a100 setting is 1/30 @ f5.6 whereas D80 is 1/20 @ f5.3. As reported in DPReview a100 review the a100 ISO is rated 1/3 lower than standard so we are really comparing ISO 800 of D80 to ISO 1000 of a100.

Even we ignore this percularity and compare D80 and a100 directly, while the a100 picture is noisier than D80, there is a price to pay for the noise reduction. Look the baby bear doll's white foot, there is more detail information on the a100 shot than the D80.

Which picture is better is upto individual's preference. Some may like NR done in camera whereas others may prefer handling in PP.

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Jon_B_Good Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: The 30D shots look far better...

Tuukka wrote:

Yep. the stone bird is much better on 30D . But it's also taken
with F8 compared to Nikon's F5.6 which is fastest that the lens can
produce.
Also Nikons lens is much more of a compromise lens being 18-135.

-T

Thanks for spotting this. I had personally noticed that the 30D picture seems to be taken on a brighter day and so had wondered if a different aperture had been used which might add to the sharpness

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jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
As feared...

takaJ wrote:

D80 Condition:Pre-production
photo condition:Moe:Program, AF:Single-Area AF Mode/center AF point

As feared they just dont seem to be able to live up to the 30D. It seems that the 30D is almost better at iso 3200 than the D80 is at 1600.

Its a damn shame I think. Its becoming more and more clear that they have a problem staying with sony, I can for the life of me not understand why they dont embark on a collaberation with Fuju.

Best wishes

Jakob

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
You are the troll, and hes right

Arturo Fukuda wrote:

I think your remark is pathetic. Try at least to be objective. Iam a D50 shooter and love Nikon, the best houses and usability availeble. BUT its quite clear that the canon performs much better at high iso in these shoots anyway.

I think you are the troll, by defending your own brand without thinking.

Jakob

dr_elis Senior Member • Posts: 1,162
Re: I just try to use my eyes, trolls are blind...

...as blind as you seem to be.

dr_elis Senior Member • Posts: 1,162
Not as feared, NO!

The high ISO shots with the D80 look actually pretty good, even at 3200. The others are a bit worrying as being not sharp and not contrasty compared to the 30D. Could be the light etc.

jagge wrote:

takaJ wrote:

D80 Condition:Pre-production
photo condition:Moe:Program, AF:Single-Area AF Mode/center AF point

As feared they just dont seem to be able to live up to the 30D. It
seems that the 30D is almost better at iso 3200 than the D80 is at
1600.

Its a damn shame I think. Its becoming more and more clear that
they have a problem staying with sony, I can for the life of me not
understand why they dont embark on a collaberation with Fuju.

Best wishes

Jakob

Mogambo Contributing Member • Posts: 873
Re: So nice of them to..

is it just me or is the image at 1600 and 3200 is sharper for the D80 as compared to the Canon 30D?

Jon_B_Good Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: a100 is rated 1/3 lower than standard

jeff-c wrote:

Let's don't be so quick jumping into conclusion yet.

The a100 and D80 aperature/shutter combinations are different. E.g.
for ISO 800 the a100 setting is 1/30 @ f5.6 whereas D80 is 1/20 @
f5.3. As reported in DPReview a100 review the a100 ISO is rated 1/3
lower than standard so we are really comparing ISO 800 of D80 to
ISO 1000 of a100.

Even we ignore this percularity and compare D80 and a100 directly,
while the a100 picture is noisier than D80, there is a price to pay
for the noise reduction. Look the baby bear doll's white foot,
there is more detail information on the a100 shot than the D80.

Which picture is better is upto individual's preference. Some may
like NR done in camera whereas others may prefer handling in PP.

I personally disagree that the D80 is appreciably worse in this instance. If you look at the photo you will see that the placement of the bear is slightly different and it has been taken slightly closer than the D80 - hence perhaps more detail showing on the bear's foot. There are other areas of the D80 that appear to show far more detail.

So I agree wholeheartedly with your last comment that it is up to the individual's preference

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jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
Maybe good but not as good.

dr_elis wrote:

The high ISO shots with the D80 look actually pretty good, even at
3200.

They might be pretty good but they are no way near the D30. Especially the 3200. For the canon the 3200 is almost as good as the 1600. This is ceartainly not true for the D80.

And with sharpness as you say its also in 30D favour. Look at the spines on the cactus.

Jakob

sandy b
sandy b Veteran Member • Posts: 9,334
Re: As feared...

I disagree. While the 30D shot is "Slightly" cleaner at 1600 and 3200, it does not have as much detail as the D80. It is also shot at F8. I feel that up to iso 800 the D80 clearly is as good or better than the 30D. Again, purely my opinion, without seeing the true test results this is all conjecture. i am glad that both canon and nikon photagraphers may now have great hi iso cameras

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Jon_B_Good Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: a100 is rated 1/3 lower than standard

Jon_B_Good wrote:

jeff-c wrote:

Let's don't be so quick jumping into conclusion yet.

The a100 and D80 aperature/shutter combinations are different. E.g.
for ISO 800 the a100 setting is 1/30 @ f5.6 whereas D80 is 1/20 @
f5.3. As reported in DPReview a100 review the a100 ISO is rated 1/3
lower than standard so we are really comparing ISO 800 of D80 to
ISO 1000 of a100.

Even we ignore this percularity and compare D80 and a100 directly,
while the a100 picture is noisier than D80, there is a price to pay
for the noise reduction. Look the baby bear doll's white foot,
there is more detail information on the a100 shot than the D80.

Which picture is better is upto individual's preference. Some may
like NR done in camera whereas others may prefer handling in PP.

I personally disagree that the D80 is appreciably worse in this
instance. If you look at the photo you will see that the placement
of the bear is slightly different and it has been taken slightly
closer than the D80 - hence perhaps more detail showing on the
bear's foot. There are other areas of the D80 that appear to show
far more detail.

So I agree wholeheartedly with your last comment that it is up to
the individual's preference

Sorry I should have added again (see other post) that it's difficult to compare differently exposed images. I actually think that another factor might be that the D80 is slightly overexposing the white of the paw, also see the white on the chart too and so of course highlight clipping loses detail.

Roll on a proper review!!

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Tuukka Contributing Member • Posts: 943
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

As many said earlier, these images are really hard to compare, but at least there's some premature assumptions to be made if one wishes so.

I guess the focus is on the color board on these ISO tests. So if you open 30D iso 1600 shot on one window and D80 iso 1600 on other and center both images on the colorboard. The switch back and forth between there's a nice surprise to notice that Nikon's engineers might have picked up a trick or two along the way.

-T

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Mogambo Contributing Member • Posts: 873
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

Different subject, but its better to have dual monitors :-).

Maybe its just an issue of perception but I find the D80 pictures to be better. I have one picture open on each monitor.

PS: I don't own a Nikon nor do I own a Canon. So no bias here

jwalker019 Senior Member • Posts: 2,612
Re: As feared...

jagge wrote:

takaJ wrote:

D80 Condition:Pre-production
photo condition:Moe:Program, AF:Single-Area AF Mode/center AF point

As feared they just dont seem to be able to live up to the 30D. It
seems that the 30D is almost better at iso 3200 than the D80 is at
1600.

Its a damn shame I think. Its becoming more and more clear that
they have a problem staying with sony, I can for the life of me not
understand why they dont embark on a collaberation with Fuju.

Interesting - I MUCH prefer the D80 at all ratings except 3200. Better detail retention, saturation and color balance. In addition, the 30D noise is much more noticeable / less pleasing in that is is primarily chroma noise vs. luminance.

Can you explain why you like the 30D better?

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Tuukka Contributing Member • Posts: 943
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

Not FAIR! Some of us mortals only have one monitor. LOL

cheers.
-T

Mogambo wrote:

Different subject, but its better to have dual monitors :-).

Maybe its just an issue of perception but I find the D80 pictures
to be better. I have one picture open on each monitor.

PS: I don't own a Nikon nor do I own a Canon. So no bias here

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dr_elis Senior Member • Posts: 1,162
Re: Maybe good but not as good.

I was referring in particular to the "stone bird", the cactus spines look good on my screen.

jagge wrote:

And with sharpness as you say its also in 30D favour. Look at the
spines on the cactus.

Jakob

Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

jeff-c wrote:

Even NR is turn OFF the camera still kicks in NR automatically for
ISO 800 or above with equivalent of LOW setting.

Close. "Above 800" the NR kicks in.

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photoforfun Veteran Member • Posts: 6,084
D80 sample @ iso 3200 impressive...

I downloaded the original of the underneath picture and opened with nikon view, I must say I'm very impressed about noise control and allover IQ.
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Arturo Fukuda Senior Member • Posts: 1,251
haha...

you really make me laugh.
poor guy....

jagge wrote:

Arturo Fukuda wrote:

I think your remark is pathetic. Try at least to be objective. Iam
a D50 shooter and love Nikon, the best houses and usability
availeble. BUT its quite clear that the canon performs much better
at high iso in these shoots anyway.

I think you are the troll, by defending your own brand without
thinking.

Jakob

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