105vr for weddings??

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dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
105vr for weddings??

anybody have used this? are there any advantages with using this vs. the other macro lenses (on events like weddings)?

pls post some pics if possible. thanks.

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Joe Mondello Veteran Member • Posts: 3,615
Could be interesting . . .

it's reasonably fast, very sharp and of course you can get really close.

The AF on mine tends to hunt A LOT which is not a problem for shooting most macro things, but could affect shooting an event.

Don't know if my lens is "normal" in this regard or not as I have only been able to find the one example, and I'm not entirely certain if it is something in my own technique.

I suppose you could just keep it in AFC mode.

Be aware though that DOF is shallow as well.

Haven't really tried this lens on people very much, sorry.

Probably be better off with the 85 1.8 or 1.4 or the 17-55DX. HTH.
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OP dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
Re: Could be interesting . . .

Joe hi... interesting reponse. I wanted to know if the new 105vr has really it's advantages on events. i always mount my 105 2.8 micro on tripod for the close-up & detail shots and use this lens solely for this purpose. for portraits and candids, i use the 85 1.4 or 70-200vr.

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Joe Mondello Veteran Member • Posts: 3,615
Re: Could be interesting . . .

dayv wrote:

Joe hi... interesting reponse.

Hi Dave, yeah, I started out thinking it could be a good idea and then talked myself out of it while I was typing! HA!

Actually I may just head into the park and take some people pics with it to see what I really think about the 105VR as an "event" lens.

Sounds like you are already well covered in any event.
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Jose Salcedo Senior Member • Posts: 1,298
Re: 105vr for weddings??

I have no experience with weddings (except for paying the bill...), but the 105mm VR is very sharp and has a very good bookeh.

This is a photograph taken at 1/20s, f/5, ISO 200, handheld.

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Joe Mondello Veteran Member • Posts: 3,615
D'OH! My Bad . . .

Well, my AF hunting problem (which had me about ready to exchange the lens for another example) was MY OWN FAULT!!!

So, I am very glad you asked this question!

Of course, I DIDN'T read the manual, and for whatever reason I misinterpreted the AF switch on the side of the lens -- I thought the focus limiting switch when set to "FULL" meant for non-macro distances, when in fact the INF-0.5m setting is for non-macro distances.

No wonder I was having AF problems!

So, my bad, and I learned something, too! Thanks for that.

The AFS is quick, the VR works great and the lens is sharp and fast, so yeah, it should be good for events.

I have to laugh at myself when I am so dumb!

In fact, I was experiencing what Ken Rockwell was famously describing in his infamous "review"

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"Autofocusing: Not Reliable

I tried three samples at PMA 2006. All of them didn't autofocus very well on my D200. They would often not get good focus, so the green focus confirmation dot in the lower left of the finder wouldn't light, so the shutter wouldn't release in S mode. This is bad. My old 105 mm AF, not even D, focuses much more reliably.

The new 105 VR would often hang at one end of the focus range. It would rack itself in and out, and hang if it couldn't find anything. My old 105 mm AF never has this problem. My old lens may rack in and out and not find anything, but tapping the D200 shutter again would let it try again instead of hanging.

Speed of focus, presuming it locks on, is about the same on my D200 as my mechanically focused 105 mm AF.

I'm hoping that what were billed as production models actually had some known flaw that will be corrected in production, or that I was consistently doing something stupid. VR shouldn't have caused any issue; VR helps when doing the same thing with my 18 - 200 VR."

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" or that I was consistently doing something stupid. "

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edwardneal Veteran Member • Posts: 5,781
at least

Ken acknowledged it could be his own fault

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The operative line being . . .

" or that I was consistently doing something stupid. "

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Joe Mondello Veteran Member • Posts: 3,615
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edwardneal wrote:
Ken acknowledged it could be his own fault

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" or that I was consistently doing something stupid. "

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So did I, and in capital letters. But Ken has yet to correct his mistake.
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lovEU Veteran Member • Posts: 3,172
Re: 105vr for weddings??

Jose,

did you notice the heavy banding of your cam? Vertically + horizontally at the same time! just kidding

Seems to be an excellent lens for portraits!

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Jose Salcedo Senior Member • Posts: 1,298
Re: 105vr for weddings??

Hi Eric,

Yeah... the banding... I gues that I will have to do with it...

I am beginning to really like this lens, it certainly complements the 85mm f/1.4 lens very well. Optically, it is superb.
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lovEU Veteran Member • Posts: 3,172
Re: 105vr for weddings??

I am beginning to really like this lens, it certainly complements
the 85mm f/1.4 lens very well. Optically, it is superb.

please don't tell more about this lens - I actually should not buy another new one :-))

OP dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
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Joe Mondello wrote:

dayv wrote:

Joe hi... interesting reponse.

Hi Dave, yeah, I started out thinking it could be a good idea and
then talked myself out of it while I was typing! HA!

Actually I may just head into the park and take some people pics
with it to see what I really think about the 105VR as an "event"
lens.

Joe, looking forward for any sample shots!

Sounds like you are already well covered in any event.

yes well covered indeed i think so. what tickles me about the 105VR is i was wondering if we can get really close in dim-light churhes, as the 85 1.4s minimum focusing is not good enough.

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OP dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
re: AF in 105vr

good thing you got your 105vr working well!! as the 105 micro hunts a lot in lowlight and tight shots.

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OP dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
temptation to get the 105vr

you got a nice sample, at 1/20, surely VR is in the works here.

thanks.

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Norwen Senior Member • Posts: 2,648
Why oh why?

If it was an f2.0, there would be the aperture advantage. But as it is, isn't a 105mm f2.8 already included in a 80-200 or 70-200?

You really intend to shoot macro on a wedding?

I'm terribly confused

OP dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
Re: Why oh why?

hi Norwen. i have the 70-200vr and it's been great for church. what i was trying to figure is, even though the 105 is at 2.8 max.... yet it's close focusing ability (close-ups, not macro) while handholding it - shots like, couple signing the contract... maybe a quick grab handheld shot on the hand signing with VR on... or probably close-up shots of hands with rings handheld, or other applications that the VR + macro will prove advantageous (?).

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Joe Mondello Veteran Member • Posts: 3,615
Rings etc

dayv wrote:

shots like, couple signing the contract... maybe a
quick grab handheld shot on the hand signing with VR on... or
probably close-up shots of hands with rings handheld, or other
applications that the VR + macro will prove advantageous (?).

Just watch out for that super shallow DOF. It can certainly be used creatively, but I find that things which looked "in focus" in the viewfinder really aren't when I get in at 100%.

But I wear progressive glasses and sometimes can't see all that well through the viewfinder (at odd angles, etc).

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OP dayv Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
Re: Rings etc

Indeed Joe, shallow DOF using wider apertures on some close up shots can be dramatic; aside from the usual tripod-mounted F22 shots...

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Re: 105vr for weddings??

It might be a better choice than the 85/1.4 for event work. I used the 85/1.4 at a wedding this weekend, and missed many shots because it's slow to focus, a problem I didn't have when I changed to the 28-70. The 105 has VR and AF-S, which means it should be fine... but what advantage does it offer over your 70-200VR?

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