Event Photographers: Do you know Peter Wolf?

Started Mar 7, 2006 | Discussions
Ted Marchut Contributing Member • Posts: 642
Re: Confirmation??

I did not speak to him, Michael did. I have not been involved in event photography for several years and even then, nothing was online.

caero Senior Member • Posts: 1,056
what?

How can anyone file a patent on a simple web search that sorts by numbers?

makes no sense. Or is that how patents work there?

Michael Fryd
Michael Fryd Forum Pro • Posts: 10,368
Re: Confirmation??

event-photos wrote:

Hi Ted,

Did you get him to put it in writing?

I asked Mr. Wolf to put it in writing. He said he would need to check with his lawyers first.

I mailed him a summary of our conversation and asked him to sign and return it. I have not yet received any response from him.

I expect to be receiving Mr. Wolf's written confirmation in the near future. Failing to confirm his oral statements could easily hurt his reputation and credibility.

Truthfully, the delay does not surprise me. My web site predates his patent application. My guess is that his lawyers want to be very careful in how they word things. They need to carefully describe why my site is NOT covered by the patent, yet other sites are covered. An accusation that my pre-existing site infringed on their patent might be construed as their acknowledgment that prior art existed.

-Michael

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event-photos Regular Member • Posts: 236
Re: Confirmation??

Can you drop me your email address off forum?

My address is ian@event-photos.co.uk

I'd like to discuss a few issues with you without the possibility of forwarning Mr Wolf.

Best regards

Ian Griffiths

http://www.event-photos.co.uk

guzinta Regular Member • Posts: 362
Re: Event Photographers: Do you know Peter Wolf?

Sounds like this guy is trying to patent everyday processes that most event and many other pghotographers perform in their normal everyday flow. Also trying to patent remote triggers? This is ludicrous! He didn't INVENT, but merely harnessed existing tools to do work. Just another gold digger..sigh.
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Kalden Regular Member • Posts: 226
Prior Existence

Other than applying to sporting events, this isn't distinguishable from what has been done for white water rafters & amusement park riders since well into the 90's.

This may be why his application is specific to sporting events. Though this undermines the non-obvious portion of the argument.

I'd say his most enforceable element of the patent is the use of a formula to find a picture taken earlier in the race & match it up with a finish time. Past that it sounds like he may be stepping onto the toes of some companies with much deeper pockets than his. Companies that would have a strong financial interest in challenging this obvious (to me) patent.

NoTx Senior Member • Posts: 1,940
Re: Event Photographers: Do you know Peter Wolf?

Read the patent, if you take out or change a step, you have bypassed it. THat is how patents work. Just a thought, and I am not a lawyer... but have been involved in patents before.

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Scott Olds Senior Member • Posts: 1,112
This really really looks to be an invalid patent.

ILoveNikon wrote:

A patent was issued two months ago (Jan. 2006) that could have a
big effect on event photographers everywhere. It was issued to a
Peter Wolf, the owner of Photocrazy.com. Anyways, you can read up
on all the gory details here:

http://forums.robgalbraith.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=394529&page=7&fpart=all&vc=1

This really appears to be an invalid patent. I'm not a patent attorney but I have written a few patent disclosures and worked with patent attorneys on them. A key theme that has been drilled into my head by the patent attornies I have worked with is that a patent has to be for a novel idea that is not obviouse to someone skilled in the art.

My problem is that I don't see anything novel in his claims. I read some of the claims in his patent and it seem like he is stating the obvious.

This one puzzles me. I may ask one of my patent attorney friends if there is an easy way (meaning no or little $) to have the USPTO rethink a patent. Another thing that has been drilled into me is just because a patent has been issued, it doesn't mean that its perfect. This one seems to prove his point.

I also have problems with his strong statement on his web site. He claims there a lot more than what the patent claims.

Scott

rambolin Contributing Member • Posts: 773
Re: Event Photographers: Do you know Peter Wolf?

What a statement ( http://www.photocrazy.com/FAQ.html#Q1030

The concept of offering event photos for inspection, selection and distribution via the Internet is protected by U.S. Patent No. 6,985,875. We welcome others who wish to license the process from us. Kindly contact us by email or phone to discuss the details.

Wow...

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rambolin Contributing Member • Posts: 773
.. offering event photos..may also be found to infringe the patent

http://www.photocrazy.com/Planners.html#EP001

Attention Event Directors:

The concept of offering event photos for inspection, selection and distribution via the Internet is protected by U.S. Patent No. 6,985,875. Photographers performing event photography services in a manner covered by the patent need to be licensed. In some circumstances, those working in association with the photographer, such as event organizers, may also be found to infringe the patent.

Strange world...
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echelon2004 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,128
Lol,

It is at times like this I like to quote JP-peanuts' slogan...
"The really big nuts are american"

Good look, hope that dude isn't causing you too much trouble...
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KevinM Senior Member • Posts: 1,467
** Check this link

This is a list of Wolfs' posts on Rob Galbraiths' site. The most recent posts are part of a long thread regarding this topic.

I did not read all the threads here, so someone may have already provided a link to the recent thread. Forgive me if this is a repeat.

http://forums.robgalbraith.com/dosearch.php?Cat=0&Forum=All_Forums&Name=940&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&&fromsearch=1&fromprof=1

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MtnGoat Forum Member • Posts: 94
Event Photographers - Peter Wolfe and Photo Crazy Strikes Again
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aroundomaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,275
Re: Event Photographers - Peter Wolfe and Photo Crazy Strikes Again

Just out of curiosity, did he imply that you were affected or does he just mass email people to see if he can rake in some money?

I've read the patent and to me it appears ludicrous to say that uploading pictures to a server for sales purposes is even remotely the result of an original, creative thought -- let alone being patentable. But I don't think I understand what he is asserting is "licensable".

Heck, I could start selling licenses letting people enjoy a sunny day, and I guess if people are willing to pay it then that's capitalism.

Does anyone have information on what the heck this really affects? If I take a few shots of my youth group playing basketball and let parents view them online am I in this guy's target sites?

If so then I guess the idea of America being a free country have faded. It seems we're on the cusp of being subjugated by poorly written laws and money seeking corporations.

MtnGoat wrote:

He is now sending this all over the place.

I just got an e-mail from him

http://www.photocrazy.com/Patents/PatentIAPEPAnalysis.pdf

http://www.photocrazy.com/Promo/WhyLicenseHtml.html

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_271.htm

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Robin Horlock Regular Member • Posts: 377
Re: .. offering event photos..may also be found to infringe the patent

This guy really is crazy if he thinks he can hold the patent for
offering event photos for inspection, selection and distribution via
the Internet.

I just got back from Disney with the family, everywhere you go there
are Disney photographers shooting people with networked cameras
and assigning them unique registration numbers that they can use to
access and order their photos online from Kodak. Every ride you go on
your photo is taken and loaded up to their internet servers.

I would love to hear him try to defend his patent in court.
This guys website obviously is meant to threaten photographers
and attempt to generate additional income.

Good Luck to him, but if he came after me I would tell him to Frak Off
and give it his best shot.

Cheers,
Robin

http://www.durhamprophoto.com

A Picture is worth a thousand....... plus expenses!

Robin Horlock Regular Member • Posts: 377
Re: .. offering event photos..may also be found to infringe the patent

Whats even funnier is his belief that remote cameras
can do a better job of capturing a sporting event without
any errors.

And the fact that he actually quotes US patent law on his
website.

The guy is a bottom feeder!!! Similar to K.Rockwell

LMAO,
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Martin Greeson Senior Member • Posts: 1,011
Funny in a scary kind of way (nt)
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Tic Tic

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MtnGoat Forum Member • Posts: 94
Re: Event Photographers - Peter Wolfe and Photo Crazy Strikes Again

I just got the link and a lot of other guys are as well he says nothing.

Its just irritating having to consider legal costs when its hard enough to make a living getting quality images for people to cherish and remember.

Isnt the thought of selling images over a computer network and any means of participants to locate their images like really broad?

Nuts just nuts... thinking that I might end up in court over infringment and I need to put my cash into the hands of some patent lawyer to see if I am infringing on his patent.

I shoot one big event per year (its not a race) but I group all images in unique participant galleries to sell on the internet as I found folks will not buy if they have to hunt remeber a time and day they were there and I've got my own method of gathering the data, filing images in unique participant folders etc. with my own visual basic engine and posting galleries. I have methodologies determining shoot locations to optimize product quality and sales etc. Tools I use to validate participant galleries etc...

Maybe I should patent that

Michael Fryd
Michael Fryd Forum Pro • Posts: 10,368
If you get sued, call me...

I'm not a lawyer, but I had a web site up for event photos from a national event before Mr. Wolf filed for his patent.

I spoke to Mr. Wolf on the phone, and he assured me that my web site was not covered by his patent. His reasons as to the distinctions between my web site and his patent didn't make much sense to me. Not surprisingly, he has not responded to my request to put his assurances to me in writing.

I don't think you are supposed to able to patent something that was already in public use before you "invented" it.

My public use prior to his patent application, might have a negative impact on his patent.

I'm not a lawyer, and I may very well have misunderstood the legal principles.

If there are any lawyers working on this case, I'd be happy to talk to them.

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HPW Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: If you get sued, call me...

I found this

For example, a patent isn't really much of a threat if you can clearly show that the invention was public before the patent was filed. You can send your evidence in to the patent office and request a "reexamination". The patent office will then reopen the case, and if your evidence is persuasive, the inventor will loose some or all of their patent coverage.

here http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?s=dcc8652a6ec82e34e663467eadae321b&t=26266&page=7

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