Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

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Radu Bogdan Rusu Junior Member • Posts: 40
Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Hellos,

Which one would you choose in terms of AF speed and sharpness (on the wide angle as well as at maximum telephoto)?

Does anyone have both ? If so, would it be possible to provide a picture of the same object taken with each lens?

PS. I am talking about the APO version (D if possible).

Thanks a lot.
Radu.
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Phil Contributing Member • Posts: 699
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

I have the Minolta 100-400 but not the 100-300. The 100-400 performs very well for a zoom lens in this price range. From what I have seen it performs best if you can stop down to f8. I also own the 200 2.8 G and from the test I have done the 100-400 compares very well at 200mm if stopped down to f8. You can compare the 100-400 and the 100-300 from the tests done on this website

http://www.photodo.com/prod/lens/minolta.shtml#Minolta

Radu Bogdan Rusu wrote:

Hellos,

Which one would you choose in terms of AF speed and sharpness (on
the wide angle as well as at maximum telephoto)?

Does anyone have both ? If so, would it be possible to provide a
picture of the same object taken with each lens?

PS. I am talking about the APO version (D if possible).

Thanks a lot.
Radu.
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http://www.rbrusu.com

OP Radu Bogdan Rusu Junior Member • Posts: 40
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Thanks a lot for your prompt reply Phil! Much appreciated.

I went to that web site, but it seems like both lenses have the same grade, 3.2. So I am pretty much back to where I started.

I have the opportunity to buy both, but I do not know which one to choose, especially since I cannot test them myself (no store in this area has them).

Radu.
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Phil wrote:
I have the Minolta 100-400 but not the 100-300. The 100-400
performs very well for a zoom lens in this price range. From what
I have seen it performs best if you can stop down to f8. I also
own the 200 2.8 G and from the test I have done the 100-400
compares very well at 200mm if stopped down to f8. You can compare
the 100-400 and the 100-300 from the tests done on this website

http://www.photodo.com/prod/lens/minolta.shtml#Minolta

Radu Bogdan Rusu wrote:

Hellos,

Which one would you choose in terms of AF speed and sharpness (on
the wide angle as well as at maximum telephoto)?

Does anyone have both ? If so, would it be possible to provide a
picture of the same object taken with each lens?

PS. I am talking about the APO version (D if possible).

Thanks a lot.
Radu.
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http://www.rbrusu.com

charrison Contributing Member • Posts: 647
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

I haven't used either, but the photozone database has a few reviews of both. The 100-300 rates higher. (4.07 for the non-D, 4.00 for the 100-300 D, and 2.67 for the 100-400)

It is a useful site to do some comparison shopping. -

http://www.photozone.de/active/survey/surveyform.jsp?filter=%22brand= Minolta%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Sigma%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Tamron%20AF'%20or%20brand='Tokina%20AF'%20or%20brand='Vivitar%20AF'%22&title='Minolta%20AF%20(Maxxum/Dynax)'#browse;
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ECCL Contributing Member • Posts: 638
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

I have both the 100-300 APO D and the 100-400 APO. Based on my test 100-400 @ 300mm is as sharp or sharper than 100-300 @ 300mm plus it goes to 400mm = 600mm on 5D/7D

Bear in mind 100-400 APO (72mm) is much bigger than 100-300 APO (55mm). If you need a zoom to 400mm, this is the best one to get. The reason I have both is if I want to travel light, I'll take the 100-300 otherwise I'll bring the 100-400 to make sure I cover all the focal length.

Hope this help.

Eccl

ECCL Contributing Member • Posts: 638
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

The previous photo was a center crop of 100-300APO and 100-400 APO both at 300mm wide open and at F11

Here's another crop of the same comparison but at the lower right corner.

This will give you an idea of the edge performance of both lenses. Again 100-400 APO is sharper than the 100-300 APO.

Eccl

Jacqueaux Senior Member • Posts: 1,073
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Did some research on both, ended up getting the 100-300, but only because of price. From what I learned the 100-400 is just as sharp as the 100-300 up to 300. The 100-400 gives you the extra coverage and is reasonably sharp from 300-400, but not as sharp as it is from 100-300. The price, however is considerably more. I opted to get the 100-300 for now, and later hope to get a lens that will reach 500mm, either a prime, or perhaps the Tamron 200-500. The Tamron is only about $100 or so more than the KM 100-400, and reaches further. If you have something to cover the lower range up to around 200, the Tamron might be worth looking into. A lot has been written on this lens on this site, do a search for it, and see what you can find.
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Dennis Forum Pro • Posts: 20,818
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Radu Bogdan Rusu wrote:

Thanks a lot for your prompt reply Phil! Much appreciated.

I went to that web site, but it seems like both lenses have the
same grade, 3.2. So I am pretty much back to where I started.

There's a wealth of information beyond that summary rating.

Even if you don't look at the mtf charts, you can look at the weighted measurements (which emphasize center sharpness over corner sharpness - not a bad thing for telephotos) for 300 & 400mm at various apertures and see that the 100-300 at 300/5.6 rates .74 while the 100-400 at 300/5.6 (and at 400 wide open) rates .68 and .67 respectively. Looking at it another way, the 100-300 at 300/5.6 is as sharp as the 100-400 at 300/8 and better than 400/8 ! Oddly enough, the 100-400 is better at the shorter end (100 and 180mm measurements) ... chances are if you're considering a 100-400 over a 100-300, though, you want to use it for tele shots.

The 100-300 is the smaller, lighter, cheaper, sharper long tele, while the 100-400 is the longer long tele, and the sharper short tele

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Dennis Forum Pro • Posts: 20,818
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Jacqueaux wrote:

Did some research on both, ended up getting the 100-300, but only
because of price. From what I learned the 100-400 is just as sharp
as the 100-300 up to 300. The 100-400 gives you the extra coverage
and is reasonably sharp from 300-400, but not as sharp as it is
from 100-300.

Close - at least according to photodo, the 100-400 is better at 100 & 180 than the 100-300, and better at 100& 180 than at longer focal lengths. The 100-300 is better than the 100-400 at 300 and better at 300 than it is at shorter focal lengths. To me it's a no-brainer - if you're comparing these lenses, you have reason to shoot long tele, so if you can live with 300mm, get the shorter zoom; if you have to have longer than 300, get the longer one (or explore other options ... a 100-300 APO with a Sigma 400/5.6 or a 500/8 mirror ?) Of course, a no-brainer to me is still just my opinion and I've seen some nice stuff posted here from the 100-400 !

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RacingManiac Contributing Member • Posts: 689
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Now thats confusing...:)

Dennis wrote:

The 100-300 is the smaller, lighter, cheaper, sharper long tele,
while the 100-400 is the longer long tele, and the sharper short
tele

  • Dennis

OP Radu Bogdan Rusu Junior Member • Posts: 40
Thank you very much guys. Much appreciated.

Thanks a lot for all the nice replies. And a big thanks to ECCL for the test photos... it looks like it comes down to size and weight on this one. Light travelling... 100-300...

Cheers,
Radu.
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Rich Lanthier Veteran Member • Posts: 3,820
Re: Thank you very much guys. Much appreciated.

You won't be dissapointed, I love mine! CHeck out these images I posted recently:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1035&message=16026884
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amateur hobbyist; having fun and learning a lot, I think

aarif
aarif Veteran Member • Posts: 9,378
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

I have the 100-400 and have been very happy with it, the weight you mentioned is not an issue with it at all it’s the lightest lens for its range and the extra 100mm makes a big big big difference.
few examples at 400mm

1/250s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso400
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1/200s f/8.0 at 400.0mm iso400
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1/200s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso400
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1/200s f/6.7 at 400.0mm iso200
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KEITH-C Forum Pro • Posts: 14,131
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

The extra 150mm at the long end does make a difference but if you have any doubts -get both !

Keith-C

OP Radu Bogdan Rusu Junior Member • Posts: 40
Went with 70-210/F4

Hellos,

I went ahead and got the 70-210/F4 instead of the above two mentioned lenses. I am looking forward to get it and make some tests, but the sample pictures that I've seen taken with it deeply impressed me

The next one will probably be 200-500 Tamron (I was sold after I read the review).

Cheers,
Radu.
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vincentlau New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

I want to get the 100-300 but it seems it has been out of stock for several months. Where can I buy it? in US.

charrison wrote:

I haven't used either, but the photozone database has a few reviews
of both. The 100-300 rates higher. (4.07 for the non-D, 4.00 for
the 100-300 D, and 2.67 for the 100-400)

It is a useful site to do some comparison shopping. -

http://www.photozone.de/active/survey/surveyform.jsp?filter=%22brand= Minolta%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Sigma%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Tamron%20AF'%20or%20brand='Tokina%20AF'%20or%20brand='Vivitar%20AF'%22&title='Minolta%20AF%20(Maxxum/Dynax)'#browse;
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OP Radu Bogdan Rusu Junior Member • Posts: 40
Try ebay.

Try Ebay, but I would really suggest looking into 70-210 too. I started with the same goal , 100-300 or 100-400, but I ended up with 70-210 and now I'm planning on getting the 200-500 from Tamron.

Cheers,
Radu
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MindeKei Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

Hi guys,

Found one lens that is named 100-300 Zoom XI ? Have you ever tried it? Very big diference from APO versions in terms of AF speed and picture quality: sharpness, CA and so on.

Thanks for replies

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ECCL Contributing Member • Posts: 638
Re: Minolta 100-300 or 100-400?

MindeKei wrote:

Hi guys,

Found one lens that is named 100-300 Zoom XI ? Have you ever tried
it? Very big diference from APO versions in terms of AF speed and
picture quality: sharpness, CA and so on.

The Xi is a power zoom. For more information regarding power zoom check the following Minolta AF lens FAQ

http://www.sds.com/mug/af-lenses.html

IMO, you should stick with 100-300 APO or 100-400 APO

Eccl

RacingManiac Contributing Member • Posts: 689
Re: Went with 70-210/F4

very good lens IMO, my experience with the 70-210 f4 is wonderful and hopefully yours will be too...

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