5D images from India - the best yet

Started Nov 5, 2005 | Discussions
michael przewrocki Senior Member • Posts: 2,350
Re: Reminds me of Natchwey photographs!

its mr nachtwey(nacht= german for night). its not the first time he was called natchwey...

btw: he is using canon. i would like to know if he is alreay using digital. i guess not since there are too much quality limits. there has been a documenary film called war photographer where nachtwey himself was filming his work. two tiny filmcams were mounted to his canon showing his camera/ face and subject.
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harbin88 Contributing Member • Posts: 684
Not only compositions. His pictures are brilliant in color

I am wondering how he does his post processing as well.

michael przewrocki Senior Member • Posts: 2,350
Re: So did the 200mm f1.8

angenieux apo 180/2.3 DEM would be worth a trial. but it is sold out. maybe we can find it again.
voigtlaender/cosina has also affordable apos. all these have no AF.
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harbin88 Contributing Member • Posts: 684
on 5d, maybe 135 could replace 85mm f/1.2? The effect is clsoe

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bayguy Regular Member • Posts: 161
He used the Canon 5D (nt)

Are you now convinced that digital can do everything a film can do?

bayguy Regular Member • Posts: 161
Re: My Thoughts

Look here for light and colorful side of India.
http://www.pbase.com/jrodrigo/india_descartadas

And you are right, do not guess the photographer's intention (beyond the fact that he is recording the world that is in front of his eyes).

As an aside, the particular gallery posted in this thread does not
appeal to me because it is not IMO an accurate representation of
the India I know. The use of B&W in the entire gallery to me
creates a dark, grim mood, when the subjects are not all dark and
grim. The India I know is light and colourful. Yes it has its
dark sides, but even then there is laughter and joy to be found.
Of course this is just my viewpoint and I am in no position to
double guess the photographer's intention.

Cheers

DigitalPowerShot Senior Member • Posts: 1,259
Great work
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Hawkbug Regular Member • Posts: 166
I disagree

In the old days of film that might have been true, since the quality of the shot was wholly dependant on the quality of the glass and film used. However, in the here and now the sensor makes a huge difference.

Vidyesh Forum Member • Posts: 56
Re: Not to rain on the parade, but...

I second this. I have seen photos of this photographer.They are good. Yes there is poverty in India which has been depicted well in his photos. But i have some serious reservation abt the attitude of the photographer. He seems to be a rude photog. As it appears from his photos there seems to be absolute no consent from his subject. This is very obvious from the expression that on the ppl's faces.

Most indian will not object to someone taking their photos and will gladly agree to it. The photog seems to have some agenda... to quickly capture and run away.

Also the India that he has depicted is not entirely correct.

And finally dont say that these pictures could have been taken only using 5D. I get equally good pictures using my 350d.

This photog is a thief.

Petteri Sulonen Forum Pro • Posts: 24,585
I doubt it...

I've taken lots of people pictures, and in my experience you just can't get this close to people this consistently without their (at least tacit) consent. It's just not possible. IOW, whatever the photog is doing, he's not "shooting and running away."

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Ian S Senior Member • Posts: 2,257
Re: hehe.. My conclusion is the oppsite. B/W make the miserable

Yes those pictures are beautiful, but my point is that they do not in my view reflect the reality of that place as I have seen it.

IMO photography is more than an art, it should tell a story that is rooted in reality. Photographic techniques that enhance the story are good, but there is a line beyond which you are changing the story. Different people draw that line in different places. In my view that B&W gallery crosses the line.

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harbin88 wrote:

senes more beautiful and golorier than than looks. Think about if
he used f22 instead of small apeture. Then a whole set of
undesiables backgrounds will get in the pictures.

I admire his technics! His 20D, 300D pictures are also amazing. On
technical terms it seems we can use more of small f stops.

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nanonod Forum Member • Posts: 61
Re: hehe.. My conclusion is the oppsite. B/W make the miserable

Good photos nonetheless. I prefer B&W than colour.

BanLecter Senior Member • Posts: 2,114
I wouldn't care if they were taken with a pinhole

I'd be impressed.

Poverty and bad news sells, and these images are the personification of that.

I personally see these images daily in Bangkok, but am a bit shy to take these kind of candids.

All the power to him, nice woprk really..

B&W Works too!

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krusadr Senior Member • Posts: 2,988
Re: This is what I am talking about.

Film_Ruled wrote:

The guy went out and shot a TON with one of his lenses. His 135mm
2.0L, a very prominent style of seeing and recording.

What I was trying to say to those who say that there is nothing
that can't be done with DX that can be done with full frame. We'll
here it is.

All of the images have that wonderful change of shape of the out of
focus details as you go out further out from the center. You lose
that when you have to back up and crop it. It is especially
pronounced with the 85 1.2L and 135 2.0 on full frame.

Because he is closer to his subjects, the effect is in full glory.

THIS is what the 24mm 1.4L, 35mm 1.4L, 50mm 1.4, 85mm 1.2L and
135mm 2.0L are all designed for. Full frame.

This is simply impossible on anything else but full frame. 1.3 crop
sort of, 1.5 and 1.6 crop, nope, full frame? BINGO!

So is it worth it to spend that extra $1,400 over a D200 or that
$1,900 extra over a 20D. It sure as heck is if you want to fully
exploit any of the $5,000 in fine glass above. Because with any one
of them in the right hands, you can build an entire style of
shooting just with one or two exceptional lenses.

I, for one, plan to take off for a month in the Spring to either
South East Asia, Iceland or Ecuador with my 5D and three primes. My
24 1.4L, 50 2.5 Macro and my freaking unreal 85 1.2L and a thin
extension tube.
What else could I possibly need..:-)

Lots of CF cards Nice choice of gear. I couldn't have picked better myself. I only have crappy slow zooms though at the moment

And to the measurebaters: Don't even bother with all your
numbers, because that is not what photography is all about. It is
about images and they are right there in front of your face.

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hobster Regular Member • Posts: 429
Re: 5D images from India - the best yet

treemed wrote:

http://www.pbase.com/jrodrigo/image/51642917

Holy smoke, this is a stunning photo.

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jrodrigo Junior Member • Posts: 25
Re: 5D images from India - the best yet

Hello!

Thanks a lot to everyone for the great comments!

I saw some messages in my web and I undestood something must be telling in dpreview. So, I looked for jrodrigo and I was delighted and honored to see all your comments. I have just registered to try to answer some things.

Sorry about my english; it isn't so good as I wish...

I'm not a profesional, but photography is my hobby. We went 6 people to India, all of them great photographers (except me )... I know them in a spanish forum I'm used to participate and we get real friends. If someone is looking something in spanish I would hardly recommend this forum:

http://www.caborian.com

I have my 5D since only one month ago, but I have already shot 3.500 photos (most of them in my ten days trip to India)

Before I had a 20D and before a Rebel... The main reason to buy a 5D was (for me) the FF sensor and this two implications:

  • DOF. I love narrow DOFs and according to my calculations, the effect of using larger lenses to get the same perspective is equivalent to 1 and 2/3 diafragm. In other words, you get the same DOF in a 5D with f2.8 than in a 20D with f1.6 (this is constant to any focal lenght)

When I had the 20D I was used to use only fixed lens to get the DOF I wanted: I had a 24 f1.4L for general photography, a 50 f1.4 for portraits and a 100 f2.8 for macro and this three lens was the 99% of my use (0.5% 17-85 and 0.5% 75-300)

  • large viewer (same size of the old analogical viewers)

Returning to India... Somebody explain an experience there taking photos and showing the results to the people. It's absolutly true... They become very surprised and pleased to see themselves in the litte LCD.

We had more problems for having too many people wanting to be shooted than photos we couldn't have a (tacit) consent. In many situations we were forced to take bad pictures to please them, show and automatically deleted. Some times we get good results in that kind of situations but most of the times were very forced photos (very far to seem naturals), so we deleted them in the camara.

This is an exemple of a photo were the girl in the center was fighting with his firends to be pictured by my friend (on my left):

http://www.pbase.com/jrodrigo/image/51642828

Normally we get close to someone not trying to disimulate (sometimes we show the camara)... In little ocasions (2%) we realise the person don't like to be shooted and we go away, sometimes (20%) they asked automatically for money and we also go away, and most of the times we have a tacit permission to take the picture.

We didn't accept to give money for the photos not for the money that is very little but for the dinamics. First day we did the mistake and we have in a second a lot of peolple asking for money and we couldn't take any picture more.

So, we only give money after finishing everything and just a few seconds before we are planning to leave to somewhere else.

The experience is, globally speaking, very, very, very hard. Your camara is a kind of protection to aislate you from the scenario. You think in photography and you try to don't think in the hard situations you have in front... Obviously is not absolutly effective, but it works a little. I wouldn't reccomend the trip we did for someone not interested in photography. Just for tourism or to know I think is too hard.

Finally related to the b&w process, I would tell you I don't use ImagingFactory or something like that. I would recommend this soft but the real thing is I haven't it. Anyway I have seen how it works and it's great.

Anyway, with ImagingFactory you don't get different results... you only get them quicker and simpler... you can also do all the process more "manually"

The main secret is trying to get strong blacks. First of all, I never use Desaturate. I use "Mapa de Degradado" (sorry I don't konw the name in english, it is the option below Channel Mixer in PS CS) to convert to b&w and I get better results.

After, I select Levels and I move the left arrow to the right, beyond the point info begins (so, I lose information deliberatly). With lights I do something similar but not so exagerate. After that I select some areas with big fathers (50 pixels or something like that) and I adjust levels, curves and contrast. At the end I raise again Contrast all I can until the image begins to seem defectuos.

I hope, despite my poor english, I have answer you all the questions

See you!

Raegoul Contributing Member • Posts: 950
his 20d stuff is just as good nt
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Adam Kozlowski Senior Member • Posts: 1,108
This thread and your post has made me...

...totally decided to ruin my account, sell a lot from my record collection, and finally buy a 5D and a couple of primes.

Thank you.

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Peter Regular Member • Posts: 490
Re: 5D images from India - the best yet

Thanks for the explanations.
Your photos are good indeed.

I also found the site carborians.com and it is interesting, for the articles (pruebas) and also because the site shows (sometimes good) photos, which I miss a bit here.
DPReview, is different, mostly technical.
Will look at the forums at carborians.

I suppose passing from 20D to 5D was obvious for you, as you like exploiting small DOF.

jrodrigo Junior Member • Posts: 25
Re: 5D images from India - the best yet

spartanic wrote:

This is probably the best 5D gallery I've seen yet. When in the
hands of someone who knows their stuff, powerful images are
produced.

http://www.pbase.com/jrodrigo/india_pobreza

By the way, I agree with people saying that this gallery don't reflect India as they knew it.

In fact, this is only one gallery of the three I wanted to do to describe the feelings India transmit to me:

  • Niños (Children)... Initially I wanted it was Alegria (Joy), but I didn't really found it as I expected

  • Pobreza (Poverty)

  • Religion (Religion)

I also did a gallery called Entorno (Surroundings), a Top15 gallery and another called Descartadas (Discarded)

It's not everything finished because I have just returned Spain 6 days ago, but if you see globally I think it really describes our experience (not necesary other experiences in India, that is a huge country):

http://www.juanrodrigo.com/india

In Surroundings is missing 2 pictures (all galeries has 15)... Probably I will process 3-4 pictures of main monuments (Taj Mahal, Red Fort...) and move 1-2 to Discarded.

In Discarded I will upload many pictures more that I like but not so much for being in the selection or repetitives or pictures that don't help me to tell the story I wanted.

Some pictures also need carfuler process, and I guess during all this work I will change some for others.

See oyu!

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