Your Humble recommendation. No arguments please.

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josan
josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
Your Humble recommendation. No arguments please.

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced in dslr.
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.
I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.

I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends on this (kind of) polling.

I'll buy a camera thatt recomended by many people, so I won't go wrong. don't worry ,I won't blame anyone. I just ask for your Humble opinion. to help me make my decision. Just supposing that you are in my position and
based on your experience on dslr.

For US$2500 I am expecting to get 1body+1 prime+1tele (max200mm) and flash light If still left over. (Any brand.)
I trust your opinion so don't explain in detailed ,
just model and lenses 1 Prime+1 tele
please do not give any comment on others recommendation.so there is
no arguments.
Thank you very much for your honest recommendation, I really appreciate it.

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saarela Regular Member • Posts: 435
Re: Your Humble recommendation. No arguments please.

You'll need to provide a little more information. What type of shooting do you do? Under what conditions? etc...

josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.

I am an Airline Pilot who travel a lot, I'll carry it when I am a broad for taking pictures of people. buildings , rivers or mountains That sort of things.
anything I find interesting to show it to my family when I got home.

as a picture explain more than a thousand words. you can see some of my foto in my foto album below. thanks for your prompt reply.

saarela wrote:

You'll need to provide a little more information. What type of
shooting do you do? Under what conditions? etc...

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Ombuman Regular Member • Posts: 142
Re: Your Humble recommendation. No arguments please.

Hi,

If you check out the dpreview.com review of the Canon 20D. The reviewer concludes that it is unquestionably best DSLR under $3000.

Amazingly low noise (very usable iso 3200). 5 FPS shooting. It has an all new very fast focusing system. It is available for $1350 with the kit lens. (check http://www.pricegrabber.com ) You'll have to ask someone else for lens and flash reccomendations. I suggest posting/searching the "canon eos 20d" forum on this site. Have fun with this amazing camera.

-Mike

josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.
I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.
I'll buy a camera thatt recomended by many people, so I won't go
wrong. don't worry ,I won't blame anyone. I just ask for your
Humble opinion. to help me make my decision. Just supposing that
you are in my position and
based on your experience on dslr.
For US$2500 I am expecting to get 1body+1 prime+1tele (max200mm)
and flash light If still left over. (Any brand.)
I trust your opinion so don't explain in detailed ,
just model and lenses 1 Prime+1 tele
please do not give any comment on others recommendation.so there is
no arguments.
Thank you very much for your honest recommendation, I really
appreciate it.

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a picture worth more than a thousand words... keep on shooting....
josan
http://photobucket.com/albums/v609/josan737/

DannyV Veteran Member • Posts: 3,318
What is it you are trying to upgrade?

The DRebel puts out images on par with any camera out there, it provides a wide range of photographic controls, supports the entire line of Canon lenses, flashes and accessories. What is it that you want to be "better"? Once you manage to figure out what you feel is lacking in your rebel, maybe people will be able to give you an answer. Based on the type of photography you claim to be doing, the rebel should work just fine.

josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.
I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.
I'll buy a camera thatt recomended by many people, so I won't go
wrong. don't worry ,I won't blame anyone. I just ask for your
Humble opinion. to help me make my decision. Just supposing that
you are in my position and
based on your experience on dslr.
For US$2500 I am expecting to get 1body+1 prime+1tele (max200mm)
and flash light If still left over. (Any brand.)
I trust your opinion so don't explain in detailed ,
just model and lenses 1 Prime+1 tele
please do not give any comment on others recommendation.so there is
no arguments.
Thank you very much for your honest recommendation, I really
appreciate it.

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josan
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josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
OK, many thanks for your comment Mike

I'll wait for more comments. from others, meanwhile
I'll take your advise for looking at the reviews

Ombuman wrote:
Hi,
If you check out the dpreview.com review of the Canon 20D. The
reviewer concludes that it is unquestionably best DSLR under $3000.

Amazingly low noise (very usable iso 3200). 5 FPS shooting. It has
an all new very fast focusing system. It is available for $1350
with the kit lens. (check http://www.pricegrabber.com ) You'll have to ask
someone else for lens and flash reccomendations. I suggest
posting/searching the "canon eos 20d" forum on this site. Have fun
with this amazing camera.

-Mike

josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.
I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.
I'll buy a camera thatt recomended by many people, so I won't go
wrong. don't worry ,I won't blame anyone. I just ask for your
Humble opinion. to help me make my decision. Just supposing that
you are in my position and
based on your experience on dslr.
For US$2500 I am expecting to get 1body+1 prime+1tele (max200mm)
and flash light If still left over. (Any brand.)
I trust your opinion so don't explain in detailed ,
just model and lenses 1 Prime+1 tele
please do not give any comment on others recommendation.so there is
no arguments.
Thank you very much for your honest recommendation, I really
appreciate it.

-- hide signature --

a picture worth more than a thousand words... keep on shooting....
josan
http://photobucket.com/albums/v609/josan737/

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josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
Thanks Danny

Truly speaking I don't know what to upgrade..

It just my friend ( he is my First Officer) who insists on buying my drebel. He keep on asking me to sell my drebel and he told me that a Captain should use more expensive camera. I have no real complain about drebel. as I haven't got the ability to make the full used of it. to tell you the truth I can't even use full manual control yet, but I will in the near future as I start getting serious about this hobby. I can delay the transaction for a while if I have to. but I can't cancelled it. I gave him my word that I will sell the camera to him as soon as I make up my mind for what camera I will buy and now I am relying on to this polling for my decision as I really don't know what to buy. sorry for my poor decision. you can see my foto album for confirmation about my ability. and my self.

DannyV wrote:
The DRebel puts out images on par with any camera out there, it
provides a wide range of photographic controls, supports the entire
line of Canon lenses, flashes and accessories. What is it that you
want to be "better"? Once you manage to figure out what you feel is
lacking in your rebel, maybe people will be able to give you an
answer. Based on the type of photography you claim to be doing, the
rebel should work just fine.

josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.
I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.
I'll buy a camera thatt recomended by many people, so I won't go
wrong. don't worry ,I won't blame anyone. I just ask for your
Humble opinion. to help me make my decision. Just supposing that
you are in my position and
based on your experience on dslr.
For US$2500 I am expecting to get 1body+1 prime+1tele (max200mm)
and flash light If still left over. (Any brand.)
I trust your opinion so don't explain in detailed ,
just model and lenses 1 Prime+1 tele
please do not give any comment on others recommendation.so there is
no arguments.
Thank you very much for your honest recommendation, I really
appreciate it.

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a picture worth more than a thousand words... keep on shooting....
josan
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Skipper494 Forum Pro • Posts: 11,232
Re: Your Humble recommendation. No arguments please.

josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.

I wouldn't be too sure about that!

I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.

No one can tell you what is right for you. Wait till the New Year and see what the new ones are like. Right now, I'd still buy a Fuji S2 Pro, but it might not have the features you want.
Skipper494.

rower46 Regular Member • Posts: 426
Olympus E-1 (nt)
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Regards,
Cliff

On the Left Coast, the hazelnut lattes are always hot, the martinis are
always cold (and served with three olives) and the light is always on!
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josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
thanks skipper for your suggestion.Fuji S2 Pro.

I will take your opinion into consideration
because :

the superCCD IV sensor. something I never try before, and the 210mm tele may be just fine for me. and the Price is very attempting.

First. I will look for sample foto from Fuji S2 Pro. as it will be down grade for me instead ( for the price ).

Skipper494 wrote:

josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.

I wouldn't be too sure about that!

I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.

No one can tell you what is right for you. Wait till the New Year
and see what the new ones are like. Right now, I'd still buy a Fuji
S2 Pro, but it might not have the features you want.
Skipper494.

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josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
Thanks Cliff L Olympus E-1 (nt)

bit more expensive than Fuji S2 PRO for more megapixel
this is a clip from the review Of Oly E-1, from dpreviews:

The 300mm produced some of the best images I've seen from the E-1. Sharpness was excellent, even at the corners of the frame. When the light was good enough, I jettisoned the monopod and shot handheld to get a better feel for the combined weight of the E-1 and the big lens.

Sound great to me
I will go through more news about this camera. thanks

rower46 wrote:

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Regards,
Cliff

On the Left Coast, the hazelnut lattes are always hot, the martinis
are
always cold (and served with three olives) and the light is always on!
http://www.pbase.com/themarmot/

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Ombuman Regular Member • Posts: 142
new review of 20D

My favorite camera review site just came out with its review of Canon 20D.

-Mike

http://dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_20d-review/index.shtml

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How Does it Compare?

I'll be blunt: the Canon EOS-20D is the best reasonably priced digital SLR that I've tested. And by reasonably priced I meant under $2000. There's so much to like about the 20D, I don't know where to start. Photo quality is excellent, with photos having an ultra smooth look to them. Color and exposure were both accurate. Personally I'd crank the sharpness up another notch, but that's just me. Noise levels are very low, even at ISO 1600 -- try that with your fixed-lens camera!

Camera performance is first rate, from an instant startup to nearly zero shutter lag or shot-to-shot delay. Continuous shooting performance is amazing, as well. I was able to take fifty-five 8 Megapixel JPEG images in a row at 5 frames/second before the buffer filled up! As you'd expect from a D-SLR, there are full manual controls, including an unlimited bulb mode. The 20D goes a step further than most D-SLRs with its powerful white balance adjustment features. And, like all D-SLRs, the 20D is expandable, with support for both EF and lower cost EF-S lenses, numerous flashes, remote controls, and much more.

Build quality is excellent -- the 20D absolutely feels like the expensive camera that it is. The body has been refined a bit since the 10D, and I appreciate the changes, especially the new joystick on the back. The camera uses the powerful BP-511A battery which can take a whopping 1000 shots per charge!

When you connect the camera to your Mac or PC, you'll be able to take advantage of the USB 2.0 High Speed standard, for fast image transfer. FireWire would've been nice, though. The bundled software is pretty darn good, though I would've like a more refined user interface for Digital Photo Professional (at least on the Mac).

Trying to find fault with the EOS-20D is a difficult task. In fact, my two or three complaints are mentioned in the previous paragraphs. It's just that good. Now, for some buying advice. If you're stuck between the D70 and 20D, I'd choose the 20D without hesitation. If you've got a Digital Rebel and want higher resolution, more controls, and faster performance, I'd say go for it. If you have a 10D then I wouldn't be as quick to recommend an upgrade -- see if the 20D's improvements are what you need before you buy.

What I liked:

  • Excellent photo quality, even at high ISOs

  • Full manual controls

  • Robust performance, especially in terms of continuous shooting

  • All the expandability you'd expect from a D-SLR

  • Advanced white balance controls

  • Excellent battery life

  • RAW, RAW+JPEG supported

  • No redeye

  • Support for EF and EF-S lenses

  • USB 2.0 High Speed interface

  • Impressive software bundle (though DPP could be better, at least on the Mac)

What I didn't care for:

  • Images aren't overly sharp at default settings; I'd personally crank it up a notch or two

  • AF-assist lamp uses flash, which isn't terribly discreet

  • FireWire support would be nice

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josan wrote:

Hi all,
I am newbies, amateur, hobbiest.
I believe all the people here are experts at least more experienced
in dslr.
I am doing general ;landscaping ;portraitures and rarely macro.
I am selling my drebel+kit lens to my friend.for UPGRADING
(I have no more lens),
I have US$2500 to spend for new dslr.thats all I got.
I got no Idea which camera/lens to buy.. so my decision is depends
on this (kind of) polling.
I'll buy a camera thatt recomended by many people, so I won't go
wrong. don't worry ,I won't blame anyone. I just ask for your
Humble opinion. to help me make my decision. Just supposing that
you are in my position and
based on your experience on dslr.
For US$2500 I am expecting to get 1body+1 prime+1tele (max200mm)
and flash light If still left over. (Any brand.)
I trust your opinion so don't explain in detailed ,
just model and lenses 1 Prime+1 tele
please do not give any comment on others recommendation.so there is
no arguments.
Thank you very much for your honest recommendation, I really
appreciate it.

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Dan Pidcock Senior Member • Posts: 1,915
Minolta 7D would be my first choice but also consider...

Sounds like a strange way to choose a camera but if you are serious:

Minolta 7D - if you like easy access to controls, like to have a big bright viewfinder would like to shoot at lower shutter speeds than you can handhold without shaking (AS built in)
Canon 20D - if you want to shoot at high ISOs for low lighting conditions

Olympus E-1 - if you want something a bit smaller, with some really nice lenses and if you don't mind not having a fill flash

Pentax *ist D - if you want the smallest & lightest, like to have a big viewfinder, would like the flexibility of using CRV3 batteries when you forget to charge your camera batteries

I don't think you could go wrong with any of those. At the final decision try handling them all at the camera shop and choose the one that feels most right to you.

Dan

josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
Thanks everyone. and my choice is ...

Hi all,

Thanks a lot for all your comments and suggestions , I have been browsing through a lot of previews and forums based on your suggestions.

from my point of view there are more people in the canon forums , and their samples photos are greats. so I made up my mind to buy Canon 300D with 2 L lenses 17-40 f/4 and 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM. I should have enough money and 580 EX will be my next purchase. hope that I won't GO WRONG with this choice.
once again many thanks .

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josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
Re: new review of 20D

Many thanks
for your explanations , YES... I am agree with you

for me its better to buy 20D , But I'll keep my 300D as long as I can, till I the new firmware for 20D is confirmed. in the mean time I'll buy L glasses
17-40 f/4 and 70-200 f/2.8 IS, I am on my way....
see you again
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josan
OP josan Regular Member • Posts: 103
Ooops.. I mean 20D with 2 L lenses. Sorry..

I just read 20D firmware revision

so I'll keep my 300D untill the New firmware for 20D is confirmed and Installed , hope before Christmas.

20D here I come.

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