a must have book

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Bill Richardson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,922
a must have book
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If you are a serious intermediate (or above) level Photoshop user, you simply have to have the new book, Photoshop Masking & Composting by Katrin Eismann. . She combines great teaching , writing, and creative skills in this book. It is daunting at 500+ pages but well worth the time. I rank it with Tim Grey's Color Confidence as the 2 best Photoshop books I have read to date and I have read a lot of them. It is not the typical "trick" book but teaches the masking skills we all need to master in depth in order to use Photoshop in any way. Probably way too much for the beginner though. Let's make this book a best seller so she and others will write more advanced level Photoshop books!
Bill Richardson
Barrington, IL (USA)

OP Bill Richardson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,922
Re: a must have book
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I forgot to include Bruce Frser's Camera Raw book as one of the best too.
Bill Richardson
Barrington, IL (USA)

Pam R Veteran Member • Posts: 3,421
Re: a must have book

Hi Bill,

I wholeheartedly agree. I also like how she so generously gives credit to so many people. Not only to those whose technique she puts in the book, but those who have influenced her. For example, at the very outset, she gives credit to the authors of "Channel Chops", which has for many years, been THE book on masking and channels.

So many authors write as though they themselves came up with the techniques they illustrate.

Speaking of which Scott Kelby has a new book due out in January titled "The Photoshop CS Channels Book".

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Bill Richardson wrote:

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Pam R wrote:

Hi Bill,
I wholeheartedly agree. I also like how she so generously gives
credit to so many people. Not only to those whose technique she
puts in the book, but those who have influenced her. For example,
at the very outset, she gives credit to the authors of "Channel
Chops", which has for many years, been THE book on masking and
channels.

So many authors write as though they themselves came up with the
techniques they illustrate.

Speaking of which Scott Kelby has a new book due out in January
titled "The Photoshop CS Channels Book".

Bill Richardson
Barrington, IL (USA)

Jim Sullivan Junior Member • Posts: 47
Re: a must have book

Bill -- I agree. I've had Katrin's new book about two weeks now and try to work on something in it most everyday and I've still got about half the book to go. She even got me to improve my pen tool and path skills. Now if she can get me using the right side of my brain to vision the composite/montage I'll have come a looong way.

You mention Bruce Fraser's books as well and I agree. But speaking of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're making CS life difficult. Their new product PhotoKit Color has a tool called RSA Gray Balance that now is part of my workflow. I don't always like what it does but I run it -- it's easy to delete an adjustment layer.

Jim

xbytor Contributing Member • Posts: 597
RSA?

Jim Sullivan wrote:

You mention Bruce Fraser's books as well and I agree. But speaking
of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're
making CS life difficult. Their new product PhotoKit Color has a
tool called RSA Gray Balance that now is part of my workflow.

RSA? As in public key crypto? Or was I the only one to trip over this acronym?

I
don't always like what it does but I run it -- it's easy to delete
an adjustment layer.

Jim

Kate Street Senior Member • Posts: 2,095
I have them both and I basically agree

Bill Richardson wrote:

The Fraser book is a total gem for anyone with any level of competence in Photoshop.

This particular Eismann book, in my opinion, is a little more advanced than the other books of hers that I have (my all-time favorite: Photoshop Restoration and Retouching and Digital Photography).

This last book (which is every bit as well-done as the others) does assume a certain amount of competence and, in great part, it deals with techniques that (while interesting and fascinating) will probably not be of much use to non-professionals.

I have never seen Tim Grey's book which you mention above, but I will look into it, as I could certainly use some "color confidence."
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Kate

Kent C Forum Pro • Posts: 25,803
Re: RSA?

xbytor wrote:

Jim Sullivan wrote:

You mention Bruce Fraser's books as well and I agree. But speaking
of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're
making CS life difficult. Their new product PhotoKit Color has a
tool called RSA Gray Balance that now is part of my workflow.

RSA? As in public key crypto? Or was I the only one to trip over
this acronym?

That's 'Rule Seeking Algorithm' not Rivest, Shamir, Adelman.

OT - xbytor - have you read "The Code Book" by Singh?
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jerrymeola Contributing Member • Posts: 963
Re: a must have book

I use as a rule of thumb that, if you learn one good thing from a book (not just photoshop any book) it is worth the price of the book.

With Katrin's books she not only teaches you something new but she stimulates you to think. That is priceless.

jerry

EOSMan Veteran Member • Posts: 7,417
I just received mine today...

I also got her book on Restoration & Retouching.
I have a lot of reading to do now, LOL.

Bill Richardson wrote:

xbytor Contributing Member • Posts: 597
Re: RSA?

Kent C wrote:

xbytor wrote:

Jim Sullivan wrote:

You mention Bruce Fraser's books as well and I agree. But speaking
of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're
making CS life difficult. Their new product PhotoKit Color has a
tool called RSA Gray Balance that now is part of my workflow.

RSA? As in public key crypto? Or was I the only one to trip over
this acronym?

That's 'Rule Seeking Algorithm' not Rivest, Shamir, Adelman.

OT - xbytor - have you read "The Code Book" by Singh?

Of course! No self-respecting cryptologist would have skipped it. Others may not have found it quite as dramatic as I did,l though. My GFs still wonder why I ask them to mention "Linear B" at "key" moments :-).

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IFR7700 Regular Member • Posts: 229
THE Best - IMNSHO

Bill,

I agree completely. I just counted all the photoshop books I have on my shelf. What I have learned from "Masking & Compositing" probably equals what I have learned from the other 15 photoshop books I own. Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration, but not much.

Katrin assumes you have the basic photoshop skills necessary to navigate around the palettes and a good understanding of what can be done in PS. She then brings this knowledge together to create a workflow that is actually useful and efficient. She shows you the various ways things can be done, then tells you why she uses one technique over another.

If you "master" the techniques in this book, I would estimate you would be in the very top shelf of the photoshop community. I've got a long way to go, but Katrin's book has given me a roadmap to follow.

She has been able to put esoteric concepts, such as "vision" , into concrete procedures designed to produce the desired results. I've read the book twice, and am now going thru it in great detail for the third time using a collection of photos I have taken specifically for learning the concepts in this book. Her discussions of photographic techniques for Photoshop is invaluable.

That's enough, in a word .... AWESOME

Dennis

Kent C Forum Pro • Posts: 25,803
Re: RSA?

xbytor wrote:

Kent C wrote:

xbytor wrote:

Jim Sullivan wrote:

You mention Bruce Fraser's books as well and I agree. But speaking
of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're
making CS life difficult. Their new product PhotoKit Color has a
tool called RSA Gray Balance that now is part of my workflow.

RSA? As in public key crypto? Or was I the only one to trip over
this acronym?

That's 'Rule Seeking Algorithm' not Rivest, Shamir, Adelman.

OT - xbytor - have you read "The Code Book" by Singh?

Of course! No self-respecting cryptologist would have skipped it.
Others may not have found it quite as dramatic as I did,l though.
My GFs still wonder why I ask them to mention "Linear B" at "key"
moments :-).

Did you participate in the challenge?

And of course, if you did, did you figure out stage 5?

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OP Bill Richardson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,922
Re: a must have book

Jim Sullivan wrote:

Bill -- I agree. She even got me to improve my pen tool
and path skills. Now if she can get me using the right side of my
brain to vision the composite/montage I'll have come a looong way.

. But speaking

of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're
making CS life difficult. >
Jim

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Hi Jim, You mean the Devil Tool, right? I also am struggling with the Pen Tool and Katrin's diagram's have been a huge help. I actually feel like I may master the Pen Tool! I agree on the Puxl Genius sharpener. I use it as part of my routine--great tool by a great guy.
Bill Richardson
Barrington, IL (USA)

OP Bill Richardson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,922
Re: I have them both and I basically agree

Kate Street wrote:

This last book (which is every bit as well-done as the others) does

assume a certain amount of competence and, in great part, it deals
with techniques that (while interesting and fascinating) will
probably not be of much use to non-professionals.

I have never seen Tim Grey's book which you mention above, but I
will look into it, as I could certainly use some "color confidence."
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Kate

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Hi Kate, Grey's book is essential if you do your own printing but may not be for those who don't. I cannot agree with you about Katrin's book being only for pros. Masking ability is critical for anyone wanting to learn Photoshop.
Bill Richardson
Barrington, IL (USA)

OP Bill Richardson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,922
Re: THE Best - IMNSHO

IFR7700 wrote:

Bill,

I agree completely. I just counted all the photoshop books I have
on my shelf. What I have learned from "Masking & Compositing"
probably equals what I have learned from the other 15 photoshop
books I own. > That's enough, in a word .... AWESOME

Dennis

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Dennis, you said it very well. I have read and studied avout 40 PS books so far and this is one of my favorites. She has a unique blend of talent and teaching ability.
Bill Richardson
Barrington, IL (USA)

Bill M Senior Member • Posts: 1,510
Composting, Bill?

I admit a lot of my work belongs on that heap!
Warmest regards, Bill

Bill Richardson wrote:

IFR7700 Regular Member • Posts: 229
LOL Photoshop Composting

Bill M wrote:

I admit a lot of my work belongs on that heap!
Warmest regards, Bill

Now even I could write that book.

Dennis

xbytor Contributing Member • Posts: 597
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Kent C wrote:

xbytor wrote:

Kent C wrote:

xbytor wrote:

Jim Sullivan wrote:

You mention Bruce Fraser's books as well and I agree. But speaking
of Fraser if you're not using his Pixel Genius products you're
making CS life difficult. Their new product PhotoKit Color has a
tool called RSA Gray Balance that now is part of my workflow.

RSA? As in public key crypto? Or was I the only one to trip over
this acronym?

That's 'Rule Seeking Algorithm' not Rivest, Shamir, Adelman.

OT - xbytor - have you read "The Code Book" by Singh?

Of course! No self-respecting cryptologist would have skipped it.
Others may not have found it quite as dramatic as I did,l though.
My GFs still wonder why I ask them to mention "Linear B" at "key"
moments :-).

Did you participate in the challenge?

And of course, if you did, did you figure out stage 5?

Isabel Cutler
Isabel Cutler Forum Pro • Posts: 17,394
Couldn't agree with you more!

I am DEVOURING the content while waiting to get my desktop back from the computer doctor (it's supposed to be getting rid of spyware that slowed it down to a crawl).

I can't wait to get to work with her sample photos so I can absorb all the terrific knowledge she has to impart.

I love her Restoration and Retouching book...but somehow I have a feeling this one should have come first!

Isabel

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