Do I really need such a good tripod/ballhead?

For a very good price. They have the best prices that I have seen from any store on Gitzo's. I ordered a 1325 from them with just a base plate. No center post. That is how the 1325 comes. It can fold down during shooting to about 4 inches lowest height. It is a great tripod. Call ephotocraft and ask for a price quote on it. They will beat anyone else’s price on the Gitzo. Ask for Eldar or Saam and tell them Mr. Collins told you to call. I have a good relationship with them and they may give you price breaks in addition to their allready low cost. I've spent thousands there. I bought my SB800 there, D70, Gitzo 1325, Lowepro AW Nova 5, SC28 flash cord, Nikon Capture 4.1. ephotocraft is great. I paid less for the 1325 than what most strores charge for the 1228 or even in some cases the 1227.

http://www.ephotocraft.com/Amazing/items.asp?CartId=12088306VKIE-ACCWARE-U75&Cc=TRIGEAR

bbolstad said:

I feel your pain. I've been doing a lot of research as well trying
to find the right combination at a price that I could live with. I
initially looked at a "cheaper" combo like the Manfrotto 3443D and
Acratech Ultimate ballhead. I think this is a nice combo, but
maybe a little too lightweight.

I have now moved to a plan that includes a Gitzo 1228 and Markins
M-10. I would also make some of the modifications suggested on
Nikonians by removing the center post of the Gitzo and adding the
Markins TB-20 tripod base.

For me, this will make for a good combination of weight, capacity,
and price. The Gitzo 1325 is tempting as well, but I think I
prefer the 1228. I don't want to end up with a combo I don't want
to carry, so I'm trying to keep it reasonably light and compact.

I'm also planning on an L-bracket for my D100 and a QR plate for
the 70-200 VR. I'll get these from RRS.

Good luck,
BB

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Gymrat1976 said:

Hi,

Having just sold my firstborn and my left kidney to buy the 70-200
f/2.8VR, I was just poking around the store hoping to pick up a
cheap Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead for my Manfrotto 679B monopod
(buying a tripod will have to wait until I'm well enough to sell
the house) when the camera shop guy told me that to get a really
good and solid mount for my D70 + 70-200VR lens, I should consider
getting a Wimberly P-10 plate + Arca Swiss B1 ballhead and a really
expensive CF monopod, which I probably couldn't afford anyway at
the moment.

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm kinda wondering if I
wanna blow so much money on really high end tripod/ballhead when
considering that I bought the VR so that I wouldn't have to use the
darned tripod so much in the first place! Is the Manfrotto 488RC2
ballhead on a monopod and/or a ok-priced tripod good enough for my
conbination of D70+70-200VR, or should I really save up for the
abovementioned conbination?

Still scratching my head over this one..TIA
Jason

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You can either take the advice of veterans and buy top of the line legs, ball head, and quick release hardware right out of the chute, or end up paying twice as much through three generations of quality before you get to the top of the line stuff anyway. This scenario has happened millions of times. Your tripod is more important than your camera.

--
FJP

The Gitzo 1325 isn't on their website. Is it only available by calling? What did you pay for it btw? Email me if you prefer not publishing the price for any reason.

Joe

lawnmower said:

http://www.ephotocraft.com/Amazing/items.asp?CartId=12088306VKIE-ACCWARE-U75&Cc=TRIGEAR

bbolstad said:

I feel your pain. I've been doing a lot of research as well trying
to find the right combination at a price that I could live with. I
initially looked at a "cheaper" combo like the Manfrotto 3443D and
Acratech Ultimate ballhead. I think this is a nice combo, but
maybe a little too lightweight.

I have now moved to a plan that includes a Gitzo 1228 and Markins
M-10. I would also make some of the modifications suggested on
Nikonians by removing the center post of the Gitzo and adding the
Markins TB-20 tripod base.

For me, this will make for a good combination of weight, capacity,
and price. The Gitzo 1325 is tempting as well, but I think I
prefer the 1228. I don't want to end up with a combo I don't want
to carry, so I'm trying to keep it reasonably light and compact.

I'm also planning on an L-bracket for my D100 and a QR plate for
the 70-200 VR. I'll get these from RRS.

Good luck,
BB

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Bob Lang said:

Gymrat1976 said:

Thanks for the info. I noticed that Kirk seems to be a popular
choice for QR plates. How do they compare with Wimberly plates?

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Wimberley plates come with 2 safety stop screws, one at each end of
the plate. This prevents your load from sliding out of the QR clamp
if the clamp is loosened inadvertently.

I wouldn't buy a universal camera plate because they don't have an
anti-twist flange just like the cheapo Manfrotto plates, which
defeats the whole purpose of the Arca-Swiss style QR. Notice the 2
anti-twist flanges on the RRS plate for the D70:

Click to expand...

I have to mention, that Manfrotto has general plates with adjustable anti-twist, "Bogen 3157AN or 3157ANR for 3030, 3130, 3160, 3262QR, 3265, 3407, 3413QR, 3435QR & 3437 Heads"

But it is that high tech than the non-generic plates that RRS and other sell, I have to agree. But complaints that Manfrotto does not have anti-twist plates is common but somewhat unjustified...

--
Osku

I'm useing a Gitzo 2527 (I think) with a Linhoff Profi 2 head and Stroboframe QR. I know the Stroboframe QR aren't as popular but I really like the fast, spring loaded design.

Steve Ridges said:

I'm useing a Gitzo 2527 (I think) with a Linhoff Profi 2 head and
Stroboframe QR. I know the Stroboframe QR aren't as popular but I
really like the fast, spring loaded design.

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I'm not familiar with that Gitzo model. Is it metal? I have the 1227, which is carbon fiber.

I used to use the Linhoff Profi 2 but it sagged too much and I had to put too much muscle into tightening it down. This is one of those cases where at least I personally fell victim to the very syndrome I was talking about, where buying "second best" instead of top of the line from the start costed me more money than if I would have just bit the bullet and gone whole hog from the start. I got rid of the sag and the necessity for fingers stronger than those attached to my body by going up to the Arca-Swiss B1 Ball Head which I have now used with satisfaction for years.

Now my Linhoff Profi 2 languishes at the back of one of my drawers, unused for years.

--
FJP

Agreed. Markins M10 is fantastic. It's really a work of art from a design and production standpoint. Much nicer than my old BH-3 which was a fine product at that price point but can't compete with an M10 on any level.

Most importantly, the M10 is more functional for me. I can easily find the right tension for a D2H/70-200VR/TC14EII combo (my heaviest rig) where it will move when pushed but not flop when I let go. This just took too long to be practical with the BH-3 and it's dual tension knobs. The BH-3 was also MUCH less smooth when moving the head with heavy gear.

Markins has the same safey mini-dial that Arca-Swiss has (not sure what else to call it) that prevents you from accidentally loosening the head and causing your gear to flop. I'm just not sure Arca-Swiss has any advantage over markins and markins wins on price.

Joe

lawnmower said:

I have done an extensive amount of research on this topic. I think
Markins makes the best ball heads. Arca-Swiss are about the same
but more costly. Kirk ball heads, don't get favorable reviews for
tension control. The Arcatech are very good but at a lower cost
than the others and they don't have quite the weight capacity. For
the money the Arcatech offers a very good ball head. Gitzo is the
cream of the crop in tripods. Plain and simple. Carbon fiber is
lighter and the Markins is a light but very strong ball head. The
purpose is for you not to have to carry 10 -15 LBS of extra weight
besides your camera gear. I read about other tripods and Gitzo is
the way to go. Nothing other than good reviews on Gitzo. Same
with Markins ball heads. Markins Q-Ball M10 ball head is the way
to go or to save some money, Arcatech is also good.

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You are right Joe, it is not on their website. I always call them personally and talk to Eldar or Saam. They will order it for you. Tell them that I told you to call and get a price quote over the phone. I have spent quite a bit of money at their store so I am able to negotiate prices. I have done that from the beginning though. Tell them that I told you to call and find a price from another store and negotiate a price. Their standard price is probably lower than anyone else’s on Gitzos and Lowepro bags anyway. I compared prices with other stores and called them right off. The prices that they list for the 1227 and 1228 are pretty good. If the price is not what you are looking for, tell them of a reputable store like B&H and tell them the price and watch them go to work for you. These guys are great. I really can't tell you the price I paid because that wouldn't be fair to them. These guys will work with you and they don’t play games.

Joe Marques said:

Joe

lawnmower said:

http://www.ephotocraft.com/Amazing/items.asp?CartId=12088306VKIE-ACCWARE-U75&Cc=TRIGEAR

bbolstad said:

I feel your pain. I've been doing a lot of research as well trying
to find the right combination at a price that I could live with. I
initially looked at a "cheaper" combo like the Manfrotto 3443D and
Acratech Ultimate ballhead. I think this is a nice combo, but
maybe a little too lightweight.

I have now moved to a plan that includes a Gitzo 1228 and Markins
M-10. I would also make some of the modifications suggested on
Nikonians by removing the center post of the Gitzo and adding the
Markins TB-20 tripod base.

For me, this will make for a good combination of weight, capacity,
and price. The Gitzo 1325 is tempting as well, but I think I
prefer the 1228. I don't want to end up with a combo I don't want
to carry, so I'm trying to keep it reasonably light and compact.

I'm also planning on an L-bracket for my D100 and a QR plate for
the 70-200 VR. I'll get these from RRS.

Good luck,
BB

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You and I are on the same sheet of music with the Markins. Make sure you look at the reply that I gave you below. ephotocraft will take care of you. Someone else that I corresponded with called them today already and ordered the 1325 and leveling plate. I talked to Eldar earlier and he told me about it. These guys are the best. If more people knew about them some of these other stores would loose a lot of business.

Joe Marques said:

Most importantly, the M10 is more functional for me. I can easily
find the right tension for a D2H/70-200VR/TC14EII combo (my
heaviest rig) where it will move when pushed but not flop when I
let go. This just took too long to be practical with the BH-3 and
it's dual tension knobs. The BH-3 was also MUCH less smooth when
moving the head with heavy gear.

Markins has the same safey mini-dial that Arca-Swiss has (not sure
what else to call it) that prevents you from accidentally loosening
the head and causing your gear to flop. I'm just not sure
Arca-Swiss has any advantage over markins and markins wins on price.

Joe

lawnmower said:

I have done an extensive amount of research on this topic. I think
Markins makes the best ball heads. Arca-Swiss are about the same
but more costly. Kirk ball heads, don't get favorable reviews for
tension control. The Arcatech are very good but at a lower cost
than the others and they don't have quite the weight capacity. For
the money the Arcatech offers a very good ball head. Gitzo is the
cream of the crop in tripods. Plain and simple. Carbon fiber is
lighter and the Markins is a light but very strong ball head. The
purpose is for you not to have to carry 10 -15 LBS of extra weight
besides your camera gear. I read about other tripods and Gitzo is
the way to go. Nothing other than good reviews on Gitzo. Same
with Markins ball heads. Markins Q-Ball M10 ball head is the way
to go or to save some money, Arcatech is also good.

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Joe,

What kind of legs do you have under your M10?

I see that you're asking about the 1325 below. Are you looking to upgrade? If so from what and why.

Thanks,
BB

You can blow endless bucks on a tripod that won't hold your camera any steadier than something you paid $50 for. Carbon fiber, wild varieties of ball head and swing arm and ARRRRGH!

But the real deal for someone working with 400mm or less, in my (probably not humble enough) opinion, is just make sure you get the weight capacity that will handle the biggest heaviest lens you're likely to buy in the next two or three years. There are rock solid aluminum tripods out there that are only one pound heavier than the fancy carbon fiber ones, but at 1/5 the price. How often are you going to use it? I don't use mine much; when I do, it's in desperation, besides.

Ball heads - while everyone talks ball heads, there are other kinds of heads out there that work fine, and are actually preferred by some. I love pan heads. I find ballheads to have too many degrees of freedom of motion, causing me to fiddle to get from horizontal to vertical with good level. With my panhead, I just flop the thing over, and it's level. The panhead supports me in steady panning (duh! guess that's why they call it that) where ballheads can introduce other angular motion.

Because I hate carrying weight (I have two knees that are way past needing replacement, but I can't find the warranty card...) I paid up for carbon fiber. But I got a Slik. Why? Because I bought a Manfrotto carbon fiber first, that broke the first time I used it; exchanged, broke again, same place, the second time I used it; exchanged again, for a Gitzo, and it broke again. It wasn't the carbon fiber parts that broke, but the aluminum that holds it all together. The guys at B&H said they saw dozens returned every week. I decided that I should pay most attention to what seems to be the weak link; Slik seemed to have solid pieces, and was less than half the price.

I bought a lovely ball head; it now sits in my drawer. I have panheads made by Manfrotto that are very cheap, one on each of two tripods (one tiny one, and the slik carbon fiber) and one on the monopod. All are quick release, all use the same shoe. They run about $30 each. I did spring for a really, really good monopod, since I use it as a cane in emergencies.

So, I think your thought process is absolutely correct - spring for the fancy slide plates and swing arms and all that stuff when you buy your 200-500 f2.8 or something like that...all the extra fancy tripod stuff won't even be a rounding error in the price. Meantime, get something that will hold the weight, at a price that makes you smile. In tripods, at least, the fancy stuff isn't always better. I have a cheap, cheap aluminum tripod that's 50 years old that I still use for my view camera...it's exactly 1.5 pounds more in weight than my carbon fiber one.

Gymrat1976 said:

Hi,

Having just sold my firstborn and my left kidney to buy the 70-200
f/2.8VR, I was just poking around the store hoping to pick up a
cheap Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead for my Manfrotto 679B monopod
(buying a tripod will have to wait until I'm well enough to sell
the house) when the camera shop guy told me that to get a really
good and solid mount for my D70 + 70-200VR lens, I should consider
getting a Wimberly P-10 plate + Arca Swiss B1 ballhead and a really
expensive CF monopod, which I probably couldn't afford anyway at
the moment.

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm kinda wondering if I
wanna blow so much money on really high end tripod/ballhead when
considering that I bought the VR so that I wouldn't have to use the
darned tripod so much in the first place! Is the Manfrotto 488RC2
ballhead on a monopod and/or a ok-priced tripod good enough for my
conbination of D70+70-200VR, or should I really save up for the
abovementioned conbination?

Still scratching my head over this one..TIA
Jason

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--
'No, the OTHER left.'
http://www.onemountainphoto.com

Osku said:

Bob Lang said:

I wouldn't buy a universal camera plate because they don't have an
anti-twist flange just like the cheapo Manfrotto plates, which
defeats the whole purpose of the Arca-Swiss style QR. Notice the 2
anti-twist flanges on the RRS plate for the D70:

Click to expand...

I have to mention, that Manfrotto has general plates with
adjustable anti-twist, "Bogen 3157AN or 3157ANR for 3030, 3130,
3160, 3262QR, 3265, 3407, 3413QR, 3435QR & 3437 Heads"

But it is that high tech than the non-generic plates that RRS and
other sell, I have to agree. But complaints that Manfrotto does not
have anti-twist plates is common but somewhat unjustified...

--
Osku

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"Adjustable anti-twist" ?? The Bogen 3157AN plate is a flat-top plate with a glued-on cork pad:

Bob Lang said:

Osku said:

Bob Lang said:

I wouldn't buy a universal camera plate because they don't have an
anti-twist flange just like the cheapo Manfrotto plates, which
defeats the whole purpose of the Arca-Swiss style QR. Notice the 2
anti-twist flanges on the RRS plate for the D70:

Click to expand...

I have to mention, that Manfrotto has general plates with
adjustable anti-twist, "Bogen 3157AN or 3157ANR for 3030, 3130,
3160, 3262QR, 3265, 3407, 3413QR, 3435QR & 3437 Heads"

But it is that high tech than the non-generic plates that RRS and
other sell, I have to agree. But complaints that Manfrotto does not
have anti-twist plates is common but somewhat unjustified...

--
Osku

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"Adjustable anti-twist" ?? The Bogen 3157AN plate is a flat-top
plate with a glued-on cork pad:

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Sorry, was my typo:

3157ANR and 3157NR, I dropped the wrong letter off after copy-paste...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=216480&is=REG

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=216481&is=REG

--
Osku

Ball heads that is. I have the 488 and the 70-200 and the 488 really isn't up to the task. It will work but, you will want better very soon. In my opinion if you want to use ball heads the head is more important than the tripod. As soon as I can afford one I'll chunk the 488 and get a B1.

Gymrat1976 said:

Hi,

Having just sold my firstborn and my left kidney to buy the 70-200
f/2.8VR, I was just poking around the store hoping to pick up a
cheap Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead for my Manfrotto 679B monopod
(buying a tripod will have to wait until I'm well enough to sell
the house) when the camera shop guy told me that to get a really
good and solid mount for my D70 + 70-200VR lens, I should consider
getting a Wimberly P-10 plate + Arca Swiss B1 ballhead and a really
expensive CF monopod, which I probably couldn't afford anyway at
the moment.

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm kinda wondering if I
wanna blow so much money on really high end tripod/ballhead when
considering that I bought the VR so that I wouldn't have to use the
darned tripod so much in the first place! Is the Manfrotto 488RC2
ballhead on a monopod and/or a ok-priced tripod good enough for my
conbination of D70+70-200VR, or should I really save up for the
abovementioned conbination?

Still scratching my head over this one..TIA
Jason

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Mike Roden said:

Ball heads that is. I have the 488 and the 70-200 and the 488
really isn't up to the task. It will work but, you will want
better very soon. In my opinion if you want to use ball heads the
head is more important than the tripod. As soon as I can afford
one I'll chunk the 488 and get a B1.

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I really like my B1. But Really Right Stuff has a new ball head that looks very intruiging. It looks like it's the same diameter as the B1 but the entire head has a much lower profile, and knowing Really Right Stuff it's got to be built extremely well. These days, I'd look really close at the Really Right Stuff ball head before springing for the Arca-Swiss. Of course it wasn't available when I bought my B1 several years ago.

--
FJP

Denis of Whidbey Island said:

You really have to use a Gitzo to appreciate the difference, at
least in the aluminum tripods. My experience is that it's like the
difference between an Explorer and a Suburban.

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I have no idea what that means. What IS the difference between those two tripods?

I have a Gitzo carbon fiber (1227) and it's a dream.

--
FJP

Hi BB,

Very perceptive. I have the Bogen/Manfrotto 3443 Carbon One (this is NOT the 3443D model it's better - 3 leg sections - removable center column that can be put in HORIZONTALLY for macro shots, spiked feet that can be put on in place of the regular feet, a carry strap and 3.5 pounds of really cool looking carbon fiber). It's really a beautifully made tripod - I'm just an anal retentive fool who wants the Gitzo and be done with it for many years.

I was actually amazed at how stable a 3.5 pound CF tripod was compared to much heavier metal pods that I had (it seems counterintuitive but the lighter pod won in every test). I just think the 3443 is a TAD light for my long term needs (it's max load is 13.5 pounds and the Gitzo 1325 is 26.5 pounds - I see at least a 120-300 2.8 in my future which is pounds plus the D2H and probably a TC.

I'm probably selling it and will list it at fredmiranda.com - it's mint. I know - I'm crazy.

Joe

bbolstad said:

Joe,

What kind of legs do you have under your M10?

I see that you're asking about the 1325 below. Are you looking to
upgrade? If so from what and why.

Thanks,
BB

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Gymrat1976 said:

Hi,

Having just sold my firstborn and my left kidney to buy the 70-200
f/2.8VR, I was just poking around the store hoping to pick up a
cheap Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead for my Manfrotto 679B monopod
(buying a tripod will have to wait until I'm well enough to sell
the house) when the camera shop guy told me that to get a really
good and solid mount for my D70 + 70-200VR lens, I should consider
getting a Wimberly P-10 plate + Arca Swiss B1 ballhead and a really
expensive CF monopod, which I probably couldn't afford anyway at
the moment.

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm kinda wondering if I
wanna blow so much money on really high end tripod/ballhead when
considering that I bought the VR so that I wouldn't have to use the
darned tripod so much in the first place! Is the Manfrotto 488RC2
ballhead on a monopod and/or a ok-priced tripod good enough for my
conbination of D70+70-200VR, or should I really save up for the
abovementioned conbination?

Still scratching my head over this one..TIA
Jason

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Don't listen to the geeks. You have the VR and at the most, you might want a monopod. You can get a perfectly decent one at many WalMart stores; it's under the Solo brand.
--
D100, VR 24-120, VR 80-400
2.8 Tamron 17-35

These two seems to be the favoured and highly recommended heads for you guys here. Care to elaborate on the pros and cons of each against the other?

Thanks again for all the info. I will invest first in a good quality ballhead and quick release plate for my 70-200VR/D70 for the time being to use with my Manfrotto 679B monopod for a hiking trip in October. After that I will save for a good tripod. Just finalizing my decisions on which brands/models to go for.

Cheers
Jason

Gymrat1976 said:

Hi,

Having just sold my firstborn and my left kidney to buy the 70-200
f/2.8VR, I was just poking around the store hoping to pick up a
cheap Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead for my Manfrotto 679B monopod
(buying a tripod will have to wait until I'm well enough to sell
the house) when the camera shop guy told me that to get a really
good and solid mount for my D70 + 70-200VR lens, I should consider
getting a Wimberly P-10 plate + Arca Swiss B1 ballhead and a really
expensive CF monopod, which I probably couldn't afford anyway at
the moment.

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm kinda wondering if I
wanna blow so much money on really high end tripod/ballhead when
considering that I bought the VR so that I wouldn't have to use the
darned tripod so much in the first place! Is the Manfrotto 488RC2
ballhead on a monopod and/or a ok-priced tripod good enough for my
conbination of D70+70-200VR, or should I really save up for the
abovementioned conbination?

Still scratching my head over this one..TIA
Jason

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Hi,

A lot of that will depend on what you want to do... Are you trying to take relatively slow speed shots (something like 1/30 to 1/5 of a second) or are you trying to take 30 second pictures of the moon?

If the former, I would try getting the Manfrotto/Bogen 3001BPRO legs for use with your 488RC head. They will cost you less than $100 at B&H or Adorama. FWIW, I use a 488RC head with those legs (and also the 3047 head) and I also have the 679B monopod on which I use the 488RC head. The 3001BPRO legs will extend your range beyond the monopod immeasurably.

On the other hand, if you are trying to do multisecond shots, I don't think the 488RC will make you happy (though the 3001BRO with the 3047 pan head would do that job). If you are going to do long exposures and really want a ball head, you need to get one of the very good ones. That isn't a cheap operation! Which one you need will depend on what you are shooting. If you are going to try for action shots (sports, for example) then I would get one of the very high end heads such as the ARCA or the Kirk. If you are going to be doing more static subjects, then the Acrotech would be fine (and cheaper). The Acratech is like a better version of the 488RC if that helps.

What do I recommend? Well, you have to remember that I am of Scottish heritage so I hate to spend money unneccessarily. Consequently, I would recommend that you buy either the Manfrotto 3001BRO or the 3021 equivalent for use with your 488RC. When and if your needs exceed the capabilities of that combination, consider going to a different/better head. (I put it that way because there is nothing wrong with the 488RC. There are more capable ball heads, however. Every design is a compromise and the 488RC is no exception.)

I hope this helps!
TED

Gymrat1976 said:

Hi,

Having just sold my firstborn and my left kidney to buy the 70-200
f/2.8VR, I was just poking around the store hoping to pick up a
cheap Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead for my Manfrotto 679B monopod
(buying a tripod will have to wait until I'm well enough to sell
the house) when the camera shop guy told me that to get a really
good and solid mount for my D70 + 70-200VR lens, I should consider
getting a Wimberly P-10 plate + Arca Swiss B1 ballhead and a really
expensive CF monopod, which I probably couldn't afford anyway at
the moment.

It may seem like a dumb question, but I'm kinda wondering if I
wanna blow so much money on really high end tripod/ballhead when
considering that I bought the VR so that I wouldn't have to use the
darned tripod so much in the first place! Is the Manfrotto 488RC2
ballhead on a monopod and/or a ok-priced tripod good enough for my
conbination of D70+70-200VR, or should I really save up for the
abovementioned conbination?

Still scratching my head over this one..TIA
Jason

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