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Thanks for sharing these photos. I've always stayed away from the crowd, so its nice to see so many pictures you've taken.

I remembed I had a Canon G3 before, and it was a great tool for shooting from the hip or even overhead. I don't have it any more :(
Michael Soo said:
If you are below 21 years old, please um...you can read through
this post but don't click the last link.... ;-)

So, how do you shoot a bunch of naked people or two men kissing
without them beating you up? Shoot from the hip, of course!!!

These are taken from San Francisco Pride Parade earlier today.
Please DO NOT judge my composition and technicality from the photos
as MOST of them are under extreme lightning conditions and ONLY ONE
photo out of all of these went through any post processing. (I'm
getting really lazy these days)

In addition to that, quite a few of these photographs were shot
from the hip. Good thing I'm a snooker and pool player, I estimate
distance, angles and especially AIM very well and some of the shots
actually came out better than I EVER thought possible!!!

Well, let's look at the post processed photo first, shall we? This
is a shot of what looks like a homeless man, really fantastic
facial characteristic. So, I had to post-process this one.



Now for a few other samples that went through no post processing
whatsoever, no USM, no levels, nothing. Just normal RAW to JPEG
convertion is all. The next photo is the very first set of riders
at 10:30am when the parade started. This is just a regular pan
shot. Nothing special.



The next image is dedicated for the women in this forum...although
I can't guarantee that he is single OR even straight. LOL!!



Old man in Chinatown playing Er-Hu. Gave him a dollar and he was
glad to pose for me. No, he wasn't winking. I think he has some
problem with his right eye. Nice guy though.



This funny gentleman climbed up a pretty tall postbox and was
yelling out at the top of his lungs about the Commander in Chief
being very "happy" to send young men to die in Iraq...



A stall selling S&M and leather stuff. I manual focused to blur
out the entire image to take this shot. I like it a lot for its
abstract feel, don't ask me why.



This woman works for MAC..she isn't wearing anything
except...paints, sparkling paints...



The next two photos are the best "photography on the hip" I've did
all day. I really like it! Shot it from the hip cuz I was only
using my Canon 28-135mm...can't get far enough and didn't want to
look obvious that I'm photographing.





ALMOST got a photo of these two gentlemen kissing...my reflex just
ain't fast enough, unfortunately...



This is their dog...



The rest of the images are here. WARNING, nudity!
http://www.soocool.com/gallery/photo.php?photo=2214&u=5954~0
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michaelthorne said:
Michael Soo said:
If you are below 21 years old, please um...you can read through
this post but don't click the last link.... ;-)

So, how do you shoot a bunch of naked people or two men kissing
without them beating you up? Shoot from the hip, of course!!!

These are taken from San Francisco Pride Parade earlier today.
Please DO NOT judge my composition and technicality from the photos
as MOST of them are under extreme lightning conditions and ONLY ONE
photo out of all of these went through any post processing. (I'm
getting really lazy these days)

In addition to that, quite a few of these photographs were shot
from the hip. Good thing I'm a snooker and pool player, I estimate
distance, angles and especially AIM very well and some of the shots
actually came out better than I EVER thought possible!!!

Well, let's look at the post processed photo first, shall we? This
is a shot of what looks like a homeless man, really fantastic
facial characteristic. So, I had to post-process this one.



Now for a few other samples that went through no post processing
whatsoever, no USM, no levels, nothing. Just normal RAW to JPEG
convertion is all. The next photo is the very first set of riders
at 10:30am when the parade started. This is just a regular pan
shot. Nothing special.



The next image is dedicated for the women in this forum...although
I can't guarantee that he is single OR even straight. LOL!!



Old man in Chinatown playing Er-Hu. Gave him a dollar and he was
glad to pose for me. No, he wasn't winking. I think he has some
problem with his right eye. Nice guy though.



This funny gentleman climbed up a pretty tall postbox and was
yelling out at the top of his lungs about the Commander in Chief
being very "happy" to send young men to die in Iraq...



A stall selling S&M and leather stuff. I manual focused to blur
out the entire image to take this shot. I like it a lot for its
abstract feel, don't ask me why.



This woman works for MAC..she isn't wearing anything
except...paints, sparkling paints...



The next two photos are the best "photography on the hip" I've did
all day. I really like it! Shot it from the hip cuz I was only
using my Canon 28-135mm...can't get far enough and didn't want to
look obvious that I'm photographing.





ALMOST got a photo of these two gentlemen kissing...my reflex just
ain't fast enough, unfortunately...



This is their dog...



The rest of the images are here. WARNING, nudity!
http://www.soocool.com/gallery/photo.php?photo=2214&u=5954~0
  • MS


http://forum.soocool.com - SF Bay Area Photography Club for field
trips
http://www.soocool.com - Explore life beyond the norms
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you'd be homeless and broke :)

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You have some great captures there Michael. I would not worry about shooting from the hip at pride marches or any public parade for that matter. These people are there to see and be seen and I don't think anyone would complain if you had to take their picture straight on, (no pun intended) and if they are in the closet they most cettainly are not going to be marching.

The only way to get past this is to just go ahead and shoot and see what kind of reaction you get. You will be surprised.

Here in Cape Town there were cameras everywhere at the pride march and no one was worried in the slightest. Thats what its all about.

As for those who say they would not waste a pic on these images or don't want to see anymore cause its gay, all I can say is grow up - go troll another thread. No one is forcing you to look at these pics.! That attitude is so last century. These are the 00's and tolerance is called for. No gay guy is asking you to go to bed with them, and even if they did all you have to say is no. So what is your problem. In fact I don't even want to hear it, just get a life.



http://www.pbase.com/craigsyd/pride_2004
 
here's something for you to ponder.

Now I know this has nothing to do with photography and I'm hesitant to post it. I'm trying to stay with photography and not get into moral values here.

But suppose you were to take two people who were homosexuals and place them on a deserted island for a scientific experiment. Two males or females... it wouldn't matter. All things being equal and provided there was plenty of food and adequate shelter, what would happen over the process of time?

Would the island repopulate or die? Would it thrive and live? You be the judge "sweetchops".

Using just plain old common sense, the natural conclusion of the experiment should tell you something.

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The same argument applies if you had to place two str8 men or str8 women on the same said island, exactly the same thing would happen!!

Not sure of your argument here Mack, are you saying place a gay guy with a gay gal on the island?
 
why is it that if someone expresses an opinion based (and I'm inferring, here) on a "morally centered" belief or position some people find it necessary to brand them as 'phobic' or to label them with a derogatory term for expressing their views? Is it not possible to hold a contrary opinion without being "phobic"? (of course it is.. though some refuse to acknowledge this).

There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. One can tolerate while utterly rejecting/refusing to accept anothers opinions, views, lifestyle choices, and values. Tolerance doesn't equal acceptance. Meanwhile, it's an interesting thing to witness "the champions of tolerance and inclusion" become entirely intolerant when confronted with a viewpoint which is starkly different from their own, leading to the branding, exclusion, dismissiveness, and pretty much everything they themselves would define as being 'wrong' with respect to diversity and inclusion.

Just something to consider... meanwhile, I find the displays presented very interesting from a photographic point of view but largely objectionable from a personal point of view. But that's my opinion based on my values and moral judgements. Now, back to the regular, forum-specific stuff...

Nice work, Michael, to get a good cross-section of the day's events and use a 'more candid' shooting style than you might otherwise be accustomed to. Now, if you had one of those nifty Sony 828's you'd probably have made great use of it's flexible body style, yes?!? ;-)

Keep up the good, and "varied", work, despite the objections of people like myself to the actual subject matter. ;-)

icmp
lx200 said:
Michael Soo said:
That's a MIGHTY broad statement to make. Care to enlighten us to
why you said so?
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First of all............you need a male and a female to reproduce. And yes, a gay man and a straight women have had repoduced before and its not impossible.

Keep up with the times Mjack........its not 1957 anymore.........its the year 2000!!!

Ro1
Mjack1957 said:
here's something for you to ponder.

Now I know this has nothing to do with photography and I'm hesitant
to post it. I'm trying to stay with photography and not get into
moral values here.

But suppose you were to take two people who were homosexuals and
place them on a deserted island for a scientific experiment. Two
males or females... it wouldn't matter. All things being equal and
provided there was plenty of food and adequate shelter, what would
happen over the process of time?

Would the island repopulate or die? Would it thrive and live? You
be the judge "sweetchops".

Using just plain old common sense, the natural conclusion of the
experiment should tell you something.

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'Say CHEESE'
 
Chances are if you placed a man and woman in the same situation, there would be life... reproduction.

With a gay couple, there would be "0" percent / chance of reproduction. No chance of ever producing another life. To the logical mind, that says something.

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Michael Soo said:
Isn't it rude to take picture of people when they are being
intimate like kissing?
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I do a lot of this type of event photography and my experience is that at a public event like this, there is no expectation of privacy, and no need for releases if the image is not being used for commercial marketing purposes. I've also been told that art and news uses for any photo taken at a public event are acceptable and those photos are usable without releases for those purposes. You couldn't take a shot from that event, however, and use it in a marketing campaign to sell a product or service (i.e. for a condom ad, for example) without releases. Now, whether an art print that you sell constitutes a commercial marketing purpose or not, is an area I'm not qualified to comment on.

Whether or not it is rude is another matter. And given my manners, I'm probably not qualified to comment on that, either.

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Fred Doyle
http://www.leafpublishing.com
 
It is a hypothetical situation, put together by yourself, choosing who to put on the island. If YOU decide to put 2 gay men there is no reproduction. If YOU decide to put two str8 men, there is still no reproduction.

Put a gay guy and gal, and there may very well be...

So its all about your hypothetical scenario that you are putting together.

A mind game and thats all, hardly representative of real life.
 
........so silly............its not worth my brain cells pondering what the outcome would be.

Ro1
sweetchops said:
It is a hypothetical situation, put together by yourself, choosing
who to put on the island. If YOU decide to put 2 gay men there is
no reproduction. If YOU decide to put two str8 men, there is still
no reproduction.

Put a gay guy and gal, and there may very well be...

So its all about your hypothetical scenario that you are putting
together.

A mind game and thats all, hardly representative of real life.
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'Say CHEESE'
 
and far better than a lame, "I dont want to see this cause its gay"! At least you could state how you feel and still comment on the technical aspect of the images, which shows a mature outlook, even though you cannot relate to the subject matter.
 
since it's soooo very hard for you to comprehend.

Man + woman = possibility of producing another human life.

Man + Man = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Woman + woman = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Now unless you're extremely obtuse or suffering from brain damage, you CAN understand my argument. It's a natural argument.

End of discussion. Point well made. GAME, SET, MATCH :)

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Mjack1957 said:
since it's soooo very hard for you to comprehend.

Man + woman = possibility of producing another human life.

Man + Man = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Woman + woman = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Now unless you're extremely obtuse or suffering from brain damage,
you CAN understand my argument. It's a natural argument.

End of discussion. Point well made. GAME, SET, MATCH :)

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But now, it really is clear....two men really CAN'T reproduce (together)....I guess I got a little confused by all the gay couples with baby strollers walking around my 'hood...but wow, that means that the child might have been adopted....or worse, that mabye one of the gay men had intercourse with a woman (correct me if I'm wrong here, but that woman could have been straight OR gay) and SHE had the baby!

Man, DP Review kick's some serious Butt! Better than those old Masters and Johnson texts I had to read in college...

As for you Michael....do yourself a favor and shoot above the waist (your waist) next year — I've seen some good shots from you in the past and if you get over the 'inhibition' of shooting this type of scene you'd be able to pull off some really great images....the 'inhibition' was evident in many of these shots....seemed like quick, covert framing rather than a deliberate 'journalistic' approach....believe me, this is the last place that people mind their picture taken....and it's a good environment for any of us (well, almost any of us) to work on our inhibitions of interacting with, and shooting strangers....
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sweetchops said:
Mjack1957 said:
since it's soooo very hard for you to comprehend.

Man + woman = possibility of producing another human life.

Man + Man = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Woman + woman = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Now unless you're extremely obtuse or suffering from brain damage,
you CAN understand my argument. It's a natural argument.

End of discussion. Point well made. GAME, SET, MATCH :)
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Mjack1957 said:

sweetchops said:
Mjack1957 said:
since it's soooo very hard for you to comprehend.

Man + woman = possibility of producing another human life.

Man + Man = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Woman + woman = 0 possibility of ever producing another human life.

Now unless you're extremely obtuse or suffering from brain damage,
you CAN understand my argument. It's a natural argument.

End of discussion. Point well made. GAME, SET, MATCH :)
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