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In the slightest. They have known the spec of the D70 well before the Nikon resellers did.
sandrotto said:
I've been observing the digital camera market over the last few
years and to me it seems unlikely that Canon would release a
10DmkII at the end of June...it's rather likely they will come out
with it at Photokina in September...but who knows, maybe the Nikon
D70 gave them a little shock :-)
dennislwl said:
News from Japan EOS BBS dicussion group:

http://cgi1.synapse.ne.jp/~kazuhiro/d30bbs/wforum.cgi?mode=allread&oya=296&no=296&page=0

820 million pixels CMOS
1.6x crop factor
3 frames per second
at the end of June

Dennis
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I seem to recall that this 'entire' forum switched to the 10D from the D60 in a short space of time - likely the same happened elswhere. Wait and see. And of course there were the dslr virgins. I think the new camera will be aimed at the 'market' and that includes current 10D owners with aspirations for better - who then of course sell their 10Ds to others who do then not buy the 10D replacements - yet.

Canon do read these forums and others for market research and I am sure that noted issues and desires are taken on board to form their plan for the new camera - so current 10D owners do have input and the camera is aimed at them too.

Of course if you are happy where you are and simply want better glass, then go for it. There will 'always' be another new body down the line.
Jason Hutchinson said:
Brian63 said:
I have more of a desire to add more and better glass before I
really care to have the latest, greatest body. The rumored
features I have read around a 10D replacement have yet to excite me
enough to change my plan.
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An updated 10D body is not designed for 10d owners.. there are
plenty of other buyers out there.

Jason
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They will almost certainly have known of the D70. But they will not have known its market impact. The 300D 'paint it black' number was a knee-jerk response to try to stem sales to Nikon. But there will have to be a rethink of these cameras now - they do not offer enough for the price. My giess is a two-pronged attack - new 10D and 300D.

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I don't think it works like that. A new camera is 12-24 month effort with a big rooling machine behind it. Pre-production runs alone are probably 3-6 months. To say that Canon can knee-jerk a response (if not already planned) to the D70 is unrealistic. Changing case colour is relatively easy, changing major features or components is going to be relatively hard. Whatever you see in the shows in the next 3-6 months will have been (in terms of key features) planned for many, many months. Cosmetic changes are the least of it.
Dave Deacon said:
They will almost certainly have known of the D70. But they will not
have known its market impact. The 300D 'paint it black' number was
a knee-jerk response to try to stem sales to Nikon. But there will
have to be a rethink of these cameras now - they do not offer
enough for the price. My giess is a two-pronged attack - new 10D
and 300D.

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peteb said:
Whatever you see in the
shows in the next 3-6 months will have been (in terms of key
features) planned for many, many months. Cosmetic changes are the
least of it.
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Yes, 10D was a minor update of old D60. It's time for complete new model! How many users of 10D, D60 will upgrade to the same camera that has only 2 mpix more? 6 mpix is enough for almost any print that semi-pro photog may want to print, but actual sensor crop scares even amateur film photogaphers, because of lack affordable wide angle solution from Canon :(

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Dave Deacon said:
They will almost certainly have known of the D70. But they will not
have known its market impact. The 300D 'paint it black' number was
a knee-jerk response to try to stem sales to Nikon. But there will
have to be a rethink of these cameras now - they do not offer
enough for the price. My giess is a two-pronged attack - new 10D
and 300D.
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Nah, the black body thing is something they've been doing for a while. Helps spur sales toward the end of life. Kind of silly, but they know more about making $ than I do.

jason
 
...is that they haven't unlocked the 300D's missing features yet (or, as some affectionately put it, "decrippled" the 300D0. I mean, these features are already available with the hack and the D70, at almost the same price point, has them. Do they think they can release a 300DMk2 in the coming months with the same or similar features and we 300D owners will buy it again? I know I won't. I won't buy a new DSLR body unless its a significant upgrade (ie 10DMk2... possibly).

I guess they don't want to hurt the 10D sales but the 10D has other advantages (construction, PC socket, larger buffer).
 
peteb said:
Nods and winks are still very much the norm. operating environment
in much of Asia, and whilst that might not appeal to Western ideals
of fair business, it is often the way things are done.
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Where on earth do you get the idea that western ideals are "fair in business"? We are just as corrupt, just as good at leaking but insist on hiding it. At least in Asia tey are up front and honest about it.

Mark
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...........locked out features and do the same free for existing Drebel owners and it wouldn't hurt the 10D sales as the model is well over a year old and at the end of it's sales cycle anyway.

I think it could be a shot in the arm for Canon loyalty but alas, they probably feel they don't need any shot in the arm. The new models will take care of that.
John
bill1 said:
...is that they haven't unlocked the 300D's missing features yet
(or, as some affectionately put it, "decrippled" the 300D0. I
mean, these features are already available with the hack and the
D70, at almost the same price point, has them. Do they think they
can release a 300DMk2 in the coming months with the same or similar
features and we 300D owners will buy it again? I know I won't. I
won't buy a new DSLR body unless its a significant upgrade (ie
10DMk2... possibly).

I guess they don't want to hurt the 10D sales but the 10D has other
advantages (construction, PC socket, larger buffer).
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I think they can't do this, because of naming. DRebel has same fatures as filmRebel. They can do a price drop of 300D, to make it even more attractive and bring significant upgrade of 10D for the same start price 1,5k$ (with 1.3 sensor).

1oD, 28135IS, 50, Tammy 1935
arra
Poland
http://www.pbase.com/arra
 
Jason Hutchinson said:
Brian63 said:
I have more of a desire to add more and better glass before I
really care to have the latest, greatest body. The rumored
features I have read around a 10D replacement have yet to excite me
enough to change my plan.
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An updated 10D body is not designed for 10d owners.. there are
plenty of other buyers out there.

Jason
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Took the words out of my mouth. Canon has to attract new buyers as well and current 10D isn't my cup of tea despite it's great image quality. So next DSLR from Canon will want to be a lot better to sway me.
 
Mark Gillett said:
Mark Gillett said:
Nods and winks are still very much the norm. operating environment
in much of Asia, and whilst that might not appeal to Western ideals
of fair business, it is often the way things are done.
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Where on earth do you get the idea that western ideals are "fair in
business"? We are just as corrupt, just as good at leaking but
insist on hiding it. At least in Asia tey are up front and honest
about it.

Mark
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A % of users will churn their kit because Canon have not 'unlocked' the Rebel. % of sales impacted - tiny. The % here moaning is higher - we're all enthusiasts right. 99.95% of Rebel or D70 buyers probably cannot shoot out of the green anyway. Please note, I'm not saying those cameras are bad - nor specifically the users are, but the 1,000-5,000 enthusiast users are nothing compared to the 100,000/month they want to sell IMHO - that's why they are holding it as it is.
bill1 said:
...is that they haven't unlocked the 300D's missing features yet
(or, as some affectionately put it, "decrippled" the 300D0. I
mean, these features are already available with the hack and the
D70, at almost the same price point, has them. Do they think they
can release a 300DMk2 in the coming months with the same or similar
features and we 300D owners will buy it again? I know I won't. I
won't buy a new DSLR body unless its a significant upgrade (ie
10DMk2... possibly).

I guess they don't want to hurt the 10D sales but the 10D has other
advantages (construction, PC socket, larger buffer).
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Glenn D said:
I am sure that it is a bogus rumor but I would never be happy
unless it is a 1.3 crop at least. Or put it under 1000 dollars
because the D70 is as good as the 10D.
Glenn
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I think the 300D MKII and 10D MKII will remain 1.6x. The 1D MKII (and maybe something that slots in between the 10D and 1D models) will be 1.3x. It would be nice if the 10D MKII were 1.3x, but I don't think it will happen in the coming model. That would probably drive up the cost. Instead, it will probably get a new full frame ultra-wide lens, or maybe get EF-S compatibility with a new EF-S ultra-wide lens. That would allow them to keep the 10D MKII cost down, and still offer ultra-wide for those that want it.
 
I want my lenses to have no equivilent factor and should not have to pay 8000 for it. Eventually there will be a 1500 ff answer. 1.6 does not help with the wide end and there is no realistically priced 28-80 equivilent at this time. at least give us a lens like the "other brand" has to equal it
baruth said:
Glenn D said:
dennislwl said:
News from Japan EOS BBS dicussion group:

http://cgi1.synapse.ne.jp/~kazuhiro/d30bbs/wforum.cgi?mode=allread&oya=296&no=296&page=0

820 million pixels CMOS
1.6x crop factor
3 frames per second
at the end of June

Dennis
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