Newbie question-shooting cars outside in sunlight

Robert DePrat

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I just purchased the digital rebel. I loved my rebel slr, so this seemed like a good logical next step.

One thing I really like to do is take pictures of cars, mainly outdoors in bright sunlight. This weekend I am going to an all Ford show at Knott's Berry Farm in southern california. I have the kit lens, a cannon 35-105 lens (from previous rebel slr) and a quantaray 75-300 (from previous rebel slr). I also have a circ polorizing filter.

I would like any suggestions you have on how to take these pictures. My plan is to use the kit lens with the polorizing filter and try various settings in the camera. Review the historgram and see what I learn.

Thanks in advance
-Bob
 
I would like any suggestions you have on how to take these
pictures. My plan is to use the kit lens with the polorizing
filter and try various settings in the camera. Review the
historgram and see what I learn.
You will probably be using the kit lens most of the time. Set the camera to AV or manual mode. If you want a greater DOF then stop down the lens to about f8 to f22 depending upon the available light.

There are a few shots of cars taken last week here:
http://www.tkis.com/mike/pics-04.html
The ones in the darker lighting were taken wide open (f1.8) and hand-held.

Regards,
Mike

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to add to what mike said...

depth of field:

definitely play with dof...you'll want a long dof for most of it (f8 or more as mike says) so that the whole car is in focus, but i've seen some pretty excellent photos of car details (esp things like fender flares and emblems) with a very short dof.

one thing to make sure you remember with dof is that it extends on both sides of your focus point...i.e., if you want the whole car in focus, you're better off focusing on something in the middle of the car (so that you take advantage of the whole dof range) than at the front.

sunlight:

if this event is in the bright sun, i expect that you will be very happy you have that polarizer to put a lid on some of the glare. but also be aware that the strong contrast between the sunlight (and chrome glare) and the shadow may confuse the camera's meter. there are a number of ways around it, just keep it in mind.

hope that helps,
cheers,
jim.
I would like any suggestions you have on how to take these
pictures. My plan is to use the kit lens with the polorizing
filter and try various settings in the camera. Review the
historgram and see what I learn.
You will probably be using the kit lens most of the time. Set the
camera to AV or manual mode. If you want a greater DOF then stop
down the lens to about f8 to f22 depending upon the available light.

There are a few shots of cars taken last week here:
http://www.tkis.com/mike/pics-04.html
The ones in the darker lighting were taken wide open (f1.8) and
hand-held.

Regards,
Mike

--
300D Gallery:
http://tkis.com/mike/

Joy in looking and comprehending is nature's most beautiful gift.
-- Albert Einstein

--

In photography there is a reality so subtle that it becomes more real than reality. -Alfred Stieglitz
 
Jim/Mike---Thanks for the input!

Jim-you said there are a number of ways around the strong contrast between the sunlight and shadows. Can you point me in the right direction here.

Is one way to use only the center square for focus (vs all 7 focus points)....or I believe I read something about average metering?

-Bob
to add to what mike said...

sunlight:
if this event is in the bright sun, i expect that you will be very
happy you have that polarizer to put a lid on some of the glare.
but also be aware that the strong contrast between the sunlight
(and chrome glare) and the shadow may confuse the camera's meter.
there are a number of ways around it, just keep it in mind.

hope that helps,
cheers,
jim.
 
bob-

i'm not sure how much you know about light metering...lots of books out there (Ansel Adams' The Camera is a great one) that can explain it better than I can. here's the basic deal:

a camera's meter evaluates exposure as if it's looking at 18% grey (one thing...understand that i mean 18% grey in terms of brightness, obviously it's not changing colors around on you). if you were to meter a tiny spot in a dark shadow and use that exposure, then in your pictures, that spot would have a brightness equivalent to medium grey, and the sunlit spots would be blown out highlights. on the other hand, if you were to meter a tiny spot in one of the sunlit spots, in the final image that spot will be a medium grey, and the shaded areas will be extremely dark.

with that said, please understand that the dreb does not have a 'spot' meter. in general, the dreb evaluates the entire frame (evaluative metering), does some magic AI stuff, and arrives at an exposure. most of the time for most images, it's correct, but not always...images of shiny cars in bright sunlight might throw it off.

because the camera isn't always right it's nice to have more control over the exposure. this does mean that you will have to think more about what you're doing. if you don't want to think about it, let the camera do it and hope for the best...

to have more control over the exposure, you need to limit what the camera's meter is "seeing" when it evaluates exposure. there are a couple ways of doing this...the old school way: fill the frame (either by zooming in or by moving yourself) with something that you want to end up being 18% grey, take an exposure reading and determine the aperature (Av) and shutter speed (Tv) you want, recompose your shot and then take the picture using the Av and Tv you've just determined.

with the dreb, there are a couple other work arounds...

using the * button meters a small area around the current focus point (partial metering): focus on an area you want to end up being 18% grey, hit the * button to lock this exposure, then recompose, refocus and take the picture.

using Manual mode meters exposure for the area around the center focus point (center-weighted metering). because you will dial in the Av and Tv yourself, you can then recompose, focus and shoot.

finally, by choosing a specific focus point, the camera appears to use partial metering around that focus point....i stress "appears" because neither the manual, nor phil's review, indicate that this is the case.

did that make any sense? as i said to start with, there are lots of books that explain it better than i can (plus have the advantage of images and examples). if it didn't, reply to me and i'll try to make it a bit more straightforward.

(incidentally, if you hear people talking about 'grey cards', they're referring to pieces of cardboard that are quite literally grey - in this case, exactly 18% grey - that are used to help accurate meter a scene. )

oh yeah, and if i didn't say it before, shoot raw so that you can pull more details out of the shadows...

the great thing about shooting digital is that you can look at your image and histogram immediately to see if you've captured what you wanted...

sorry i got so longwinded; like i said, if i doesn't make sense, please let me know, i'll try again.
good luck,
jim.
Jim/Mike---Thanks for the input!

Jim-you said there are a number of ways around the strong contrast
between the sunlight and shadows. Can you point me in the right
direction here.

Is one way to use only the center square for focus (vs all 7 focus
points)....or I believe I read something about average metering?

-Bob
 
if this event is in the bright sun, i expect that you will be very
happy you have that polarizer to put a lid on some of the glare.
but also be aware that the strong contrast between the sunlight
(and chrome glare) and the shadow may confuse the camera's meter.
there are a number of ways around it, just keep it in mind.
The polarizing filter will only reduce reflected light, not glare.

When shooting cars with sunlight reflecting off them a good tip is to turn the polarizing filter until you can see through the car's glass instead of getting the reflected light. For open-top cars, simply adjust for the minimum reflected light. You can see what is happening in the viewfinder.

Shiny surfaces confuse the heck out of AF so either use MF or, if using AF, focus with centre point only on the least reflective surface (a tire is good). Watch the DOF as there is nothing worse than having half of the car OOF.

--
Kenny

Motorsport Photographer

If you really want to know what I shoot with - look under my profile.
 
kenny,

i don't mean to be a smart ass, but what's the difference between reflected light and glare? i guess i was using them interchangeably...perhaps i shouldn't?
thanks,
jim.
if this event is in the bright sun, i expect that you will be very
happy you have that polarizer to put a lid on some of the glare.
but also be aware that the strong contrast between the sunlight
(and chrome glare) and the shadow may confuse the camera's meter.
there are a number of ways around it, just keep it in mind.
The polarizing filter will only reduce reflected light, not glare.

When shooting cars with sunlight reflecting off them a good tip is
to turn the polarizing filter until you can see through the car's
glass instead of getting the reflected light. For open-top cars,
simply adjust for the minimum reflected light. You can see what is
happening in the viewfinder.

Shiny surfaces confuse the heck out of AF so either use MF or, if
using AF, focus with centre point only on the least reflective
surface (a tire is good). Watch the DOF as there is nothing worse
than having half of the car OOF.

--
Kenny

Motorsport Photographer

If you really want to know what I shoot with - look under my profile.
--

In photography there is a reality so subtle that it becomes more real than reality. -Alfred Stieglitz
 
very glad to help. don't hesitate to ask...
jim.
Jim

Thanks! That helps a lot. And I do understand your explanation.

This is gettin interesting.

-Bob
--

In photography there is a reality so subtle that it becomes more real than reality. -Alfred Stieglitz
 
Thanks Kenny!

Man, this place is great. Really excellent help.

-Bob
if this event is in the bright sun, i expect that you will be very
happy you have that polarizer to put a lid on some of the glare.
but also be aware that the strong contrast between the sunlight
(and chrome glare) and the shadow may confuse the camera's meter.
there are a number of ways around it, just keep it in mind.
The polarizing filter will only reduce reflected light, not glare.

When shooting cars with sunlight reflecting off them a good tip is
to turn the polarizing filter until you can see through the car's
glass instead of getting the reflected light. For open-top cars,
simply adjust for the minimum reflected light. You can see what is
happening in the viewfinder.

Shiny surfaces confuse the heck out of AF so either use MF or, if
using AF, focus with centre point only on the least reflective
surface (a tire is good). Watch the DOF as there is nothing worse
than having half of the car OOF.

--
Kenny

Motorsport Photographer

If you really want to know what I shoot with - look under my profile.
 

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