I'm a little disapointed

You are really off here man. I think you are inaccurately accusing me of being upset or something.

First I never used the word "crippled". You got that somewhere else.

Second I sure do think it's possible that Nikon would have made the D70 without the Rebel. How do you know that Nikon didn't come up with the budget DSLR idea first and Canon was just the first to produce it? Like you said yourself, they just copied the 10D so it wouldn't take long to put out the Rebel, but only god, Canon, and Nikon know the answer to that question. I don't know for absolute certainty. Do you?

Third I'm not mad or upset. How do you define my emotion with what I wrote? Like I said I love my Rebel and think it's the best digitial I've owned. I'm just making an observation regarding the lack of features that Canon purposely left out. Obviously there's some validity to it as several have posted about this as well. Phil even said it himself, "Almost laughably the majority of the EOS 300D's limitations are 'programmed in', that is they are simply software features which have been disabled." I'm not asking for "freebies", like you make it sound like I'm begging for a free lens or something. hee hee. I'm just saying what they "could" have done is make the 300D better than the 10D by enabling all the features and it would now be more competition to the D70. That's all. I'm not upset, just offering an alternate possibility.

If I were mad or upset I'd type in CAPS or put a lot of these silly things !!!!!! in my post. It's ok Michael, we're just talking here. :-)
This has nothing to do with a "mooch" mentality. Let me explain.
There are things that a camera manufacturer does to reduce costs;
IE: plastic body vs. metal, cheaper CCD, etc. These things actually
make it cheaper to manufacturer and therefore Nikon and Canon can
sell the camera for less. Here's the difference; with the exception
of the plastic body and such Nikon made the D70 the best it could
be whereas Canon did not make the Rebel in that respect.
Do you think there would even be a D70 if it weren't for the Kiss
Digital rocking the DSLR world? I'll answer that for you: NO. Nikon
is worse than Canon at giving you your money's worth; and only now
with their D2H being literally obsolete in a few months are Nikon
scrambling to stay viable. If you buy the D70 (I might get one)
Thank Canon NOT Nikon.
They took
the 10D conception and disabled features in order to promote the
10D's sales. See the difference?
Once again Ignorance rears its ugly head. The Rebel D is NO
different than the Film Rebel line. 'Crippled' features to
distinguish it and it's super LOW cost from it's bigger, more
featured brothers. Don't read anymore into were talking X files
here just simple Product Placement.
Nikon did not make the D70 "less"
of a camera purposely compared to the D100. I think Canon could
have made the 300D better than the 10D for less money and if they
had done that, the D70 would not be such an issue.
Canon COULD have done a lot of things. I guess your mad that you
are not getting more for FREE, and its embarrassing to witness
here. You should have held out longer. Others drew the line in the
sand knowing that there will be cheaper, better low end DSLR's down
the road. Somehow your behind the curve on that simple truth
present since the first Digicam came to market
Like I said I love my Rebel and it was the only DSLR that I could
afford at the time. I wish they'd have made it the best it could be
for their budget but that was my decision and that's ok. Personally
I'm not complaining but just making an observation. And the next
body I'll buy certainly won't be the older design of the 10D. I'm
going for the 1D Mark II baby!
Going for the 1D Mark II is a NO BRAINER; simply the best darn
camera money can buy...IMHO. Now is there a list we have to sign
giving you a little advance notice in order to borrow this from
you...LOL
 
The D70 will have high noise levels. Read the specs, this is a givin. It is the nature of the beast. If you don't understand why this will be so, then you really have no idea what you are buying into with all this hype, and need to do some research. Check it out, so you do not end up back in this forum, moaning and groaning - again!
 
I mean I did sell pictures using my high end P&S sony's but REALLY
needed a zoom you cant get with a P&S. If I have the extra $500
should I have gotten the 10D or should I wait now? How about that
new Nikon coming out?
Being brutally honest , the D70 slays the 300D on features and will be far more useable.

Pic quality and issues aside , I wouldn't buy a 300D toady with that Camera coming to market if you have no other Canon stuff. If you do have a fair investment in Lenses , flash etc , then the vertical move to a 10D is the way to go. It doesnt look like Canon are releasing a 10D replacement now , so there will most likely be at least a 6 month lag till it does come out. I think the D70 is nearer the 10d than the 300D and when Canon catch up in respect of producing enough 10D's , I think there will be price pressure on it- you might get a 10D for $1199 or so.

You can wait for this , or you can continue to use the 300D till the 10D succesor or the 300D succesor comes out. I dont think that at this stage a $500 investment is justified , especially if you dont have a WA zoom (the 18-55 wont work and a decent zoom like the 17-40 can set you back a further $600)

I chose to get a 10D as I thought it was a lot better in terms of useability for me over my 300D and wanted it now , my thoughts were also that it is a fine camera with mostly all the resolution I need and any other minor improvements would not be that critical for me in a new model.There is really nothing wrong with the 300D and had I not had the wherewithall to get the 10D and had not got a great deal on upgrading (my 300D + $300) I would not have gone for it.

For a new Model to "catch" me , It would have to have a bigger sensor , a lot more resolution (8-11mp) and would have to have a really exceptional AF system that will work with lenses to F8 and have to be sub $2k. If the 1d MkII was unser $2k , I would jump.

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Hi,

Canon had two choices when the made the Rebel... and I feel they chose the correct one… I wrote about it here…

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=7612678
That I see people calling the 300D a "crippled" camera. Everyone
knew what the camera could and couldn't do prior to buying it , now
these same people are calling it crippled. If you think that and
want to say that then don't own one. Own something else. It's that
simple.
 
You bought at a price point , to get any different at the time , you would have had to spend DOUBLE , it's only "crippled" now cos there is something BETTER out there .

The next camera you buy will also be crippled compared to whats going to be released after it.

If you didnt know photgraphy , you now have a great tool to learn and to identify what features you do want in your next DSLR , work on the other factors in the mean time , like composition and develop your eye and in a year or so , get another camera to compliment your lens selection and write off any monetary losses on the 300D to school fees.

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is that those who call the camera crippled say that it's not possible to really know a camera's problems and limitations from reading reviews, manuals, etc. - they learned about them only after using the Rebel for some time, and then it was too late to return it. Yet we hear confident voices that the D70 is far superior in functionality to the Rebel - doesn't one need time and hands-on experience to make sure of that?

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noise? It looks like a sensor the size of the Rebel D with the same number of pixels. It's based on the D100 sensor which is just as noise free as the Canon CMOS. I am curious to know what your privy too. I am considering buying this camera, and thus having a little bit of Nikon and a lot of Canon.
The D70 will have high noise levels. Read the specs, this is a
givin. It is the nature of the beast. If you don't understand why
this will be so, then you really have no idea what you are buying
into with all this hype, and need to do some research. Check it
out, so you do not end up back in this forum, moaning and groaning
  • again!
 
I don,t think anybody here could tell before hand that the AI focus was so temperamental. good for you if you could..I could not.
especially those smart enough when they bought this camera to know
what they were getting. It's so easy to label these intellegent
consumers Canon Soldiers, but it doesn't erase the fact that you
are just whining about something you should have known if you
didn't.
Even so BigMike said it all: If this camera didn't perform to your
standards then you could have returned it.
I sent it to Canon because it was never kicking into servo..now I have the opposite problem as it kick very often when I recompose ACCORDING TO THE MANUAL INSTRUCTIONS! so what genius...should I send it back for another mont???

shameful yourself..as you have no clue what you are talking about.

Good Grief, calling
people Canon Soldiers just because they are honest about what they
were getting themselves into...shameful.
here goes the Canon sorliers :)
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most people would prefer to have no AI servo at all then to have it kick in or not when it decide to do so but never when you want or not want it.
The way I now see it is the camera is what it is. It stands as its
own.
it also decide on its own :) users are off limit...
Sure it may but i have yet to have a camera that does everything
perfectly or exactly how I want it to. I also have now seen a HUGE
difference from CCD for the past 12 years to CMOS. from what I see
no matter what CCD does it can't compare. Trust me, i am no
loyalist to Canon. This is my first one. I only bought sony or
olympus in the past
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AI Focus has a sensitivity adjustment. If it's driving someone
crazy they should bite the bullet and send it in to be turned down,
or turned up in Daniella's case (which I hope I didn't just read
her bitching about it being too sensitive now).
***** about it as much as you wont about my bitching...but it is the truth. It was not kicking and now it kick too much. that was not a real problem with the 300mm lens but with the TC on top, it is very anoying. it is too hard to hold the DOF button while holding that lens steady.

very useful bitching. I will not send the camera for another month thank you.

Flash exposure? Buy
an external. Brutal truth is, people look worse than amateur using
an SLR with the onboard. Rebel just gives the lousy pictures to
match. The one thing that does stand unrebutted is metering
modes...but that is so freaking disingenous as an excuse for lousy
pictures that I won't comment on it. ~ m²
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going around out there. So like, just be careful man, alright?'
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it's a good camera no boubt..and after seing the samples from the D70, the Canon quality even stand out more.

It's that I love the camera but I hate the firmware.
When you actually use the camera you realize that things are not as
rosey as the marketing material claims. The basic "core" is good
though.

Stan
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you had 30 days AFTER you bought it. You knew there was nothing better in that price range at the time and instead of being patient or living with your decision. You have become a part time Canon Basher.
especially those smart enough when they bought this camera to know
what they were getting. It's so easy to label these intellegent
consumers Canon Soldiers, but it doesn't erase the fact that you
are just whining about something you should have known if you
didn't.
Even so BigMike said it all: If this camera didn't perform to your
standards then you could have returned it.
I sent it to Canon because it was never kicking into servo..now I
have the opposite problem as it kick very often when I recompose
ACCORDING TO THE MANUAL INSTRUCTIONS! so what genius...should I
send it back for another mont???

shameful yourself..as you have no clue what you are talking about.

Good Grief, calling
people Canon Soldiers just because they are honest about what they
were getting themselves into...shameful.
here goes the Canon sorliers :)
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to dismiss my truths. You started the name calling and I checked you on it. So now I am the one who needs help? Laughable how you'll go thru great lengths to do anything but the right thing; apologize for the name calling.
Canon Soldier is a fairly nice term I would say, given the
intensity of this continuing argument.

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Certainly you don't dare to speak for all of us Kiss users do you?

I am very happy that Canon stuck with thier decade old Rebel trait of having AI focus to keep the cost down instead of just having One shot or having to pony up for full time Al Servo. If you weren't, then you bought the wrong camera.

If you spent half the time belittling the Rebel D as you do now, and got a job, you'd have the money for your 10D by now.
The way I now see it is the camera is what it is. It stands as its
own.
it also decide on its own :) users are off limit...
Sure it may but i have yet to have a camera that does everything
perfectly or exactly how I want it to. I also have now seen a HUGE
difference from CCD for the past 12 years to CMOS. from what I see
no matter what CCD does it can't compare. Trust me, i am no
loyalist to Canon. This is my first one. I only bought sony or
olympus in the past
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again poor you....you have no clue...

I got it from compusa and there is 14 days not 30. the first one was defective for focusing and so we had to return it. The second one worked ok until I ordered the long zoom lens and really tried to catch birds in flight. I don't only take pic of pet at home :)

that is then and only then that I realized there was a problem with my AI servo as it was not kicking in at all. I called Canon tech support and we did a test over the phone and they said it was defective and to send it ..and then the shutter became defective as well...but of course the 14 days was over.

So after almot 6 weeks off at Canon..the camera came back and now it is really sensitive..and I mean really. It kick in about 60% of the time when I use the Tamron TC. I have sometimes to refocus up to 5 to 6 times in order to get a shot.

Now I hope this is not too hard for you to understand. Cannot really make it shorter.
especially those smart enough when they bought this camera to know
what they were getting. It's so easy to label these intellegent
consumers Canon Soldiers, but it doesn't erase the fact that you
are just whining about something you should have known if you
didn't.
Even so BigMike said it all: If this camera didn't perform to your
standards then you could have returned it.
I sent it to Canon because it was never kicking into servo..now I
have the opposite problem as it kick very often when I recompose
ACCORDING TO THE MANUAL INSTRUCTIONS! so what genius...should I
send it back for another mont???

shameful yourself..as you have no clue what you are talking about.

Good Grief, calling
people Canon Soldiers just because they are honest about what they
were getting themselves into...shameful.
here goes the Canon sorliers :)
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kiss users? I am not a kiss user so no I don't speak for you. I speak only for me.
Certainly you don't dare to speak for all of us Kiss users do you?
I am very happy that Canon stuck with thier decade old Rebel trait
of having AI focus to keep the cost down instead of just having One
shot or having to pony up for full time Al Servo. If you weren't,
then you bought the wrong camera.
If you spent half the time belittling the Rebel D as you do now,
and got a job, you'd have the money for your 10D by now.
If you spent half of the time learning to take photos..maybe you would have some decent ones to show.
The way I now see it is the camera is what it is. It stands as its
own.
it also decide on its own :) users are off limit...
Sure it may but i have yet to have a camera that does everything
perfectly or exactly how I want it to. I also have now seen a HUGE
difference from CCD for the past 12 years to CMOS. from what I see
no matter what CCD does it can't compare. Trust me, i am no
loyalist to Canon. This is my first one. I only bought sony or
olympus in the past
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here is a useful link for you:

http://www.getmentalhelp.com/

I sincerely recommand that you take a serious look at it...
Obviously some people just like to hear themselves complain,
even if they have no one but themselves to blame
for their dissatisfaction. And misery loves company!
You can bet Canons not sympathetic!
Probably about 99% of owners are ecstatic about their Rebel!
I would venture that a high percent of those 99% you refere to
don't move from the green box. Understanding, critisizing, and
recomending technical features of a camera involves understanding
the full feature set very well. From my sampling of the
ani-complain threads around here, most of the anti-complainers
don't really read the issues people are complaining about, they are
real, and technically they are not disputed. I don't believe
anyone is overlooking the fact that the DR takes wonderfull photos,
it's just those unpredictable functions that hurt.

Personally, the anti-complainers waste more BW than the complainers
IMHO.

Barry
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The fact remains that no matter how many times you try to discredit me as a person it only makes you look like your the one needing 'help'.
http://www.getmentalhelp.com/

I sincerely recommand that you take a serious look at it...
Obviously some people just like to hear themselves complain,
even if they have no one but themselves to blame
for their dissatisfaction. And misery loves company!
You can bet Canons not sympathetic!
Probably about 99% of owners are ecstatic about their Rebel!
I would venture that a high percent of those 99% you refere to
don't move from the green box. Understanding, critisizing, and
recomending technical features of a camera involves understanding
the full feature set very well. From my sampling of the
ani-complain threads around here, most of the anti-complainers
don't really read the issues people are complaining about, they are
real, and technically they are not disputed. I don't believe
anyone is overlooking the fact that the DR takes wonderfull photos,
it's just those unpredictable functions that hurt.

Personally, the anti-complainers waste more BW than the complainers
IMHO.

Barry
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The Kiss digital is another name for the Rebel D/300D.
Certainly you don't dare to speak for all of us Kiss users do you?
I am very happy that Canon stuck with thier decade old Rebel trait
of having AI focus to keep the cost down instead of just having One
shot or having to pony up for full time Al Servo. If you weren't,
then you bought the wrong camera.
If you spent half the time belittling the Rebel D as you do now,
and got a job, you'd have the money for your 10D by now.
If you spent half of the time learning to take photos..maybe you
would have some decent ones to show.
I don't take photos to impress other people, but to make myself happy. You are the one who thrives on what other's think about your bird photos. I have hundreds of photos that I think are totally fantastic, but would bore others here. I am a hobbiest so I don't have an obligation to anyone except myself. I do notice that you are so vain that you live to belittle others photographers; especially if they don't worship you. You are revealing yourself to be a washed out unhirable artist taking out your frustrations on anyone who doesn't agree that your gods gift to photography. It's sad to witness someone so young be so vile and bitter.

I would rather have one of my Dog Photos in which I metered myself than all the dreck you keep shoving down our throats in this TECHNICAL camera forum.
I can't make it any shorter; I hope you finally get it this time.
The way I now see it is the camera is what it is. It stands as its
own.
it also decide on its own :) users are off limit...
Sure it may but i have yet to have a camera that does everything
perfectly or exactly how I want it to. I also have now seen a HUGE
difference from CCD for the past 12 years to CMOS. from what I see
no matter what CCD does it can't compare. Trust me, i am no
loyalist to Canon. This is my first one. I only bought sony or
olympus in the past
--
I am not an English native speaker!
Please email me at [email protected] for questions
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
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I am not an English native speaker!
Please email me at [email protected] for questions
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 

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