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There are many other technologies available for detecting the authenticity of currency. Forbidding a visual replica is pathetic. You are about 39 minutes away from someone clever discovering a way around it anyway.

Now, I have no problem with severe penalties for the manufacturing and passing of a replica for gain because that is where the crime is.

If you want to worry about protecting "money", how about dealing with the issues of credit card swiping, debit cards, direct bank transfers without authorization, and identification theft?

My theme is prosecuting the "real" crime, not the "means" leading up to a possible crime that will trample upon other uses not involved with any crime.
Mark Barbieri said:
critter1 said:
I couldn't disagree more with either of you on this topic and the
examples given.

Your priorities apparently are thought control.

I see no harm in making a replica of currency.
The harm is in passing the replica in exchange for goods and
services of value, or perhaps in the "conspiracy" to do so.

You should be concerned that your same reasoning will be applied to
something that you hold in high value. Everyone's freedom is in
jeopardy when you want to pick and choose.
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eileen said:
...that's been following what's been going on in Adobeland today???

eileen in bc
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I appreciate your sense of freedom but I wouldn't want you americans to suspect your authorities.

These measures are without doubt the result of an international arrangement and are certainly not new ! Nor is it Adobe alone. Some copy machines refuse to copy certain notes since before 1998.

As you may know, on 01/01/2002 the european community replaced most national currencies by a common new Euro currency. In the software cy where I work, we conceived the plan to scan the old notes of all these countries and to install the resulting pictures as an optional revolving screensaver with our accounting software. After all, no harm in duplicating obsolete notes. It was appreciated by our customers as there was a general nostalgia to see those notes everyone had used for so long time and that were now gone forever.

In the spring of 2003 someone scanned a few missing notes with newer software and to his astonishment some were refused. We became curious and tried others.. So we found out that not only the new Euro notes were refused, but also some older obsolete national notes ! And recent notes from diverse countries all over the world. We did not do systematic tests nor research, so I could not give you an exact list nor dates. But at the time we concluded that taken into account the time needed to develop, produce and distribute new notes, this protection was the result of an international arrangement older than 1995.
To me it is no more than an sensible measure against counterfeiting.
 
Where were you when . . .

. . . Congress made it illegal to import or manufacture any more fully automatic weapons that could be bought by the general public?

. . . Congress made it illegal to manufacture magazines that held more than 10 rounds for the general public.

. . . Congress made the importation or manufacturer of so-called "assault" rifles illegal?

I think I have my priorities straight, wouldn't you?
critter1 said:
I couldn't disagree more with either of you on this topic and the
examples given.

Your priorities apparently are thought control.

I see no harm in making a replica of currency.
The harm is in passing the replica in exchange for goods and
services of value, or perhaps in the "conspiracy" to do so.

You should be concerned that your same reasoning will be applied to
something that you hold in high value. Everyone's freedom is in
jeopardy when you want to pick and choose.
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wmcdowell said:
so what would you call a software program that can keep track of
how you use it and the images you bring into it.
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Gee, I dunno. I wasn't aware this was the issue at hand. Perhaps you should investigate further.
wmcdowell said:
and if adobe felt
it really didn't need to tell you this feature was installed, then
do you not wonder what else they choose not to mention.
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Not really.
wmcdowell said:
it just freaks me that people like you scream about protection for
your F@@! guns that your so willing to bend over and take it on
just about everything else. myopic to say the very least.
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Did you bend over when they took more of your gun freedoms away? Just curious.
wmcdowell said:
at least the spyware was just crimnal and you knew it. i think
what adobe has done is much worse. don't you see that? !
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Not at all. At worst, they concealed a "feature" of the program. That doesn't begin to compare to what the spyware/virus did (tried to do). Nor to what Congress has done to our gun rights.
wmcdowell said:
you just can't be so ignorant anymore! dang! don't you get it.
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I "get it" just fine.

What have you done to stop the erosion of our gun rights, again?

Which freedom do you think is more important: gun ownership, or the right to scan currency? Where do you think your efforts are better spent?

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Nope. Don't agree. Your priorities are skewed only to those things that you want, and you don't give a rat's ass about someone else's "rights". It's all in the perceptions.

Where was I?

I was protecting your right to bear arms, etc. etc. I am not a gun enthusiast, but understand your interest to do so. (I own three guns). And I will fight and vote to keep your rights.

I don't smoke. But I try to protect the rights of those that want to.

Etc. etc.

I want government out of my personal life.
I want business out of my personal life.

I don't want creeping fascism.
 
That doesn't BEGIN to address the problem of protecting "the minority", though.

Besides, it also protected the STATES with larger populations, too, by allowing THE STATE to be represented, instead of the people within the state.
Joo said:
The senate was created to protect the rights of the STATES with a
SMALLER population so that the STATES with the LARGER population
can not run roughshod over them.
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DavidP #28649 said:
Which freedom do you think is more important: gun ownership, or
the right to scan currency? Where do you think your efforts are
better spent?
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David,

This is my point entirely. Don't pick and choose which right to protect. They are all important.

What is least important to you, is most important to the next guy.
 
the fact of the matter is... that the Senate was created so that each state would have an equal voice as opposed to the House of Representatives where the number of representatives was determined by population.

And yes it does protect the rights and needs of the minority. When negotiating terms of bills that are being voted on, in the Senate the states with smaller populations are treated as equals and negotiate on an equal basis. Whereas in the House, a sufficiently small State's votes could more likely be ignored because they have so few votes. At least its more likely to happen in the House than in the Senate.

Joo
DavidP said:
Besides, it also protected the STATES with larger populations, too,
by allowing THE STATE to be represented, instead of the people
within the state.
Joo said:
The senate was created to protect the rights of the STATES with a
SMALLER population so that the STATES with the LARGER population
can not run roughshod over them.
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Your link to independent music!
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the same concerns you have about freespeach during a campaign are directly tied into this Adobe thing. Its ALL from the same mind set. Someone (John McCain) thinks its not good to have it the way it was. He somehow found it unfair to HIM. Well someone thinks its not good for us to have recreational scanning of money as a freedom. So now its gone. Its ALL the SAME mind set. Someone thinks that they are watching out for fairness and safety on our behalf whether we like it or not. After all we are all just too dumb to know any better. Just ask DavidP.
 
It's another of those "politically correct" things that will only hurt the good guys. A criminal who wants to scan a dollar bill will of course be able to do so anyway. The politicians come up with schemes that look good in theory but in real life simply have no effect other than waste money and time for the good citizen. I don't know if I have a different version of the software, but if not, I'm sure they couldn't care less that they cripple it even for me who lives in another country - in principle they are putting themselves above the law. It's not difficult at all to come up with moral-majority aspects of this - "what's next" should not be taken lightly.

Also, I can't understand how they think they can put a thing like this in without being open about it, openness and solid arguments would be the only way to get it accepted, not by stealth. I'm perhaps not surprised this comes from Adobe, to me they are beginning to display some Microsoft-like behaviour, like when they suddenly stop supporting the EXIF info without warning, despite that this is what everyone is using.

I don't believe it's a big thing in the long run though, they'll eventually find it's ineffective and comes with too much bad-will, and the "feature" will get removed.

-Anders
 
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