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Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under every post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

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Names/emojis, yes (like Facebook). Emoji list is under discussion.

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Has anyone else noticed that Ben Bowers' posts don't have any quoted text... is he perhaps using threaded view? I'm not asking this (just) to be mischievous. I'm a flat view user and replies with no quotes are very hard to follow, especially in long threads like this one.
I don't think it is hard to follow in flat view. The header on top of the post says who he is replying to, and if you click that name you will be redirected to that actual post (if you want to see it again).
Yes, but clicking backwards and forwards to read posts and their replies feels a lot like threaded view, without its other advantages. When a reply correctly quotes a previous post (as yours did) this isn't necessary.
I thought the new system didn’t know the parent of a new post?

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I think this example was about Ben Bowers' replies on this current forum.

Maybe you are right about the behavior on the new forum if you don't quote. If you quote there will be a link on top of the quote that link back to the quoted post.
Good to know - is that a core function of XenForo? In that case the database does know the tree structure.

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Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Thanks - so you can quote multiple posts in the same post? How does that work on an Android phone?

I hope you don't mind answering this Qs, in advance of Matthew getting his FAQs up.

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In the Xenforo forums, there's always a text entry box at the bottom of the post collection. On each post, there's a "Add quote" button which adds the post to the text entry box. If you tap "Add quote" for multiple posts, they all appear in the text entry box.

There's no equivalent to the current "reply" to a specific post without carrying the quote over. If you want to reply to a specific post without a quote, you need to erase the quote text after it's copied.

Once the quote is in the text entry box - I believe it's copied with up to 2 levels of nesting - you can edit it. Once you've posted, the quotes appear truncated but can be expanded to full text via an "expand" control.

It's quite useable on my iPhone.
That’s very helpful and encouraging - thank you!

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How long before we get to see "the real new shiny thing" 😃 (or a test site)?

A week? A month? I am looking forward to it.
We're getting close to a presentable version! I will check with the team, but perhaps I can jump on camera and record a brief walkthrough of some of the highlights.

If we did this, what would you want to check out most from someone on screen showing you around?
Sorry for late reply.

I would like to know the width of the forums. Is it like now or does it use the whole screen width? Some forums use the whole width of the screen and the posts are hard to read when you have to move your eyes/head from edge to edge. In my opinion the size we have now is a bit narrow, so I am hoping for something a little bit wider, but not the whole width.

Of course I mean for desktop or laptop computer. For phones it is different and should likely use the whole width.

Else it's hard to make suggestions without trying it (or seeing it) yourself.
Great question. Currently, for the index view, we've adjusted it to be a bit wider than it is (about 30% more, roughly), as the current forums are rather narrow. Some other views will be full screen.
 
Has anyone else noticed that Ben Bowers' posts don't have any quoted text... is he perhaps using threaded view? I'm not asking this (just) to be mischievous. I'm a flat view user and replies with no quotes are very hard to follow, especially in long threads like this one.
I don't think it is hard to follow in flat view. The header on top of the post says who he is replying to, and if you click that name you will be redirected to that actual post (if you want to see it again).
Yes, but clicking backwards and forwards to read posts and their replies feels a lot like threaded view, without its other advantages. When a reply correctly quotes a previous post (as yours did) this isn't necessary.
I thought the new system didn’t know the parent of a new post?

A
I think this example was about Ben Bowers' replies on this current forum.

Maybe you are right about the behavior on the new forum if you don't quote. If you quote there will be a link on top of the quote that link back to the quoted post.
Good to know - is that a core function of XenForo? In that case the database does know the tree structure.

A
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Thanks - so you can quote multiple posts in the same post? How does that work on an Android phone?

I hope you don't mind answering this Qs, in advance of Matthew getting his FAQs up.

A
A great question. Yes, this is possible. There is a button next to each post called "Quote Reply", and you can just use that to add quotes of various posts to your reply.
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
While they're at it, please make sure that links to old posts, replies or threads still work. There are probably millions of search engine results and local bookmarks which will break otherwise. Sorry if this sounds obvious, but other forums (yes, rangefinderforum, I'm looking at you) didn't do this.
This is of top importance. Links from Google, etc., should path correctly to the expected destination. If one doesn't, we'll want to know.
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

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Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


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Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Test, test... looks like I've reached the limit of how many threaded sub-sections can be created.
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


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Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Test, test... looks like I've reached the limit of how many threaded sub-sections can be created.
Really?

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


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Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Test, test... looks like I've reached the limit of how many threaded sub-sections can be created.
Really?
and one more

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


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Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Test, test... looks like I've reached the limit of how many threaded sub-sections can be created.
Really?
and one more
I'm not sure there's a limit at all - The prior text is just reprinted one color-level down, and it looks like the color list is cyclical.

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


Hoovered

Hoovered
Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Please redirect quote feature questions and thoughts here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68454692
 
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


Hoovered

Hoovered
Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Test, test... looks like I've reached the limit of how many threaded sub-sections can be created.
Really?
and one more
I'm not sure there's a limit at all - The prior text is just reprinted one color-level down, and it looks like the color list is cyclical.
In the overall view, it doesn't show it being bumped to the right anymore as a sub-bullet point. I'm glad it's still doing it here though.
 
In my opinion!!!

Once again I found out about this in a post in another forum! This is a bizarre way of spreading news! I don't go mining the site daily to find out what has changed. Your opening of the new forum in my opinion is NEWS! It ought to have been announced on the NEWS page. That is where I go to find NEWS!

I mentioned this in the thread started in the Open Talk forum. I also found out about it in a different forum thread.

You need to understand where NEWS goes and not just start a new forum to discuss an important aspect of the experience here at DPR without telling anyone and expecting them to find it by accident!

Without threaded view, I don't know how much I will be here in the future, but that is a different issue. Time will tell.

However, do get the message and spread it to the DPR leaders that NEWS deserves to announced on the NEWS forum. I do look there every visit to see if there is NEWS!

I have been here since Phil ran the place even though I did not become a member until later.

Andrew
Hi Andrew! We agree, it should have been announced on the forum's official news section, if we had one :(. This is something that will be corrected in the new forums. To make matters worse, there's no way to share forum posts and pin them across the whole forums (something the new forums will also correct).

The first step was to reach out to the active forum community first, to get their thoughts before more "promo" pieces go out like the front page of the overall DPR website. Anything our active forum community would initially suggest to us could then be adjusted and clarified earlier, before a big promo that may cause confusion with everyone.

I hope this clears up our intention. It's a smart thought, thanks for thinking of it!
Why not just put the information on the news tab. It's certainly as important and timely as a new camera or lens. You could even include your FAQ
Right on Sherman, one has to ask himself why it is not in with normal news. It is not too late; it can be done any time now. I keep trying to put a positive spin on this project while management keeps doing things like this. It should be in the news, on the front page, with a link to all our related discussion threads. Hmm?
I can assure you this news will be posted on the DPReview homepage to share with the wider community. We made an intentional choice to share the news with regular forum users first, but we'll give everyone advance warning with a news article on the main site (likely multiple articles, I suspect).
As I posted upthread, once you post this to the entire site you will most likely have to revisit this all over again. I think you guys are gluttons for punishment. 😲
Yes, and this is expected. Every single message we make, will have this concern no matter what. We have general experience on how to market and promote :). Having put it out there en mass without consideration for our core audience first would have been a worse mess, I can assure you. I've experienced first-hand improper handling of how to promote something. While you can never be sure how it will go (like this forum announcement itself), there are some general guidelines.

This conversation about how we're promoting the forum system is ending for now. We're spinning here, and it's taking up Ben's post unnecessarily.
 
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Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Do you know this? Or are you assuming?

I would think that would depend on the migration script. It should be possible to make a script that gets the source record out of the old database and adds a link to that source at the top of the post in the new forum. Or?
Forum moderators have seen initial migrations.

I requested that yesterday but haven't yet received feedback. I agree that it would help a great deal to preserve the migration structure.
Thanks.

Do you know if the new forum has this "like" button under each post and if the name of who liked it is displayed?

From MacRumors:

02fde8fc10db41bcb44fab55a6f0b23c.jpg.png


Hoovered

Hoovered
Yep! And you will be able to see who likes a post, just like you showed here.
Test, test... looks like I've reached the limit of how many threaded sub-sections can be created.
Really?
and one more
I'm not sure there's a limit at all - The prior text is just reprinted one color-level down, and it looks like the color list is cyclical.
In the overall view, it doesn't show it being bumped to the right anymore as a sub-bullet point. I'm glad it's still doing it here though.
Ah I see what you mean. I guess they prioritize the visibility of the title over the indenting.

My uninformed guess is that the threaded view structure is not stored as such but is built ad_hoc based on each post's parent ID. That gives you great flexibility in terms of display. It keeps the database structure simple compared to maintaining a full tree index. It can be fast because you're only talking about 149 (or 700 in some cases) records per thread. I'm not certain of this, but it's the way I've done it for similar systems in the past.

If you, for example, look at items on Amazon, you can sort them by rating, price, etc etc. That's done by an ad_hoc sort, not by permanent indexing which would be much more complex. (I understand that the database itself could maintain the indexing in background if desired)

Contrast that with accounting table of accounts, where each account has an ID which forces its place in the hierarchy

In that context, I was hoping that XenForo would be able to keep the parent links intact for the migration and on an ongoing basis. That would enable the possibility of implementing an ad_hoc tree view at a later date.

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album
 
In my opinion!!!

Once again I found out about this in a post in another forum! This is a bizarre way of spreading news! I don't go mining the site daily to find out what has changed. Your opening of the new forum in my opinion is NEWS! It ought to have been announced on the NEWS page. That is where I go to find NEWS!

I mentioned this in the thread started in the Open Talk forum. I also found out about it in a different forum thread.

You need to understand where NEWS goes and not just start a new forum to discuss an important aspect of the experience here at DPR without telling anyone and expecting them to find it by accident!

Without threaded view, I don't know how much I will be here in the future, but that is a different issue. Time will tell.

However, do get the message and spread it to the DPR leaders that NEWS deserves to announced on the NEWS forum. I do look there every visit to see if there is NEWS!

I have been here since Phil ran the place even though I did not become a member until later.

Andrew
Hi Andrew! We agree, it should have been announced on the forum's official news section, if we had one :(. This is something that will be corrected in the new forums. To make matters worse, there's no way to share forum posts and pin them across the whole forums (something the new forums will also correct).

The first step was to reach out to the active forum community first, to get their thoughts before more "promo" pieces go out like the front page of the overall DPR website. Anything our active forum community would initially suggest to us could then be adjusted and clarified earlier, before a big promo that may cause confusion with everyone.

I hope this clears up our intention. It's a smart thought, thanks for thinking of it!
Why not just put the information on the news tab. It's certainly as important and timely as a new camera or lens. You could even include your FAQ
Right on Sherman, one has to ask himself why it is not in with normal news. It is not too late; it can be done any time now. I keep trying to put a positive spin on this project while management keeps doing things like this. It should be in the news, on the front page, with a link to all our related discussion threads. Hmm?
I can assure you this news will be posted on the DPReview homepage to share with the wider community. We made an intentional choice to share the news with regular forum users first, but we'll give everyone advance warning with a news article on the main site (likely multiple articles, I suspect).
As I posted upthread, once you post this to the entire site you will most likely have to revisit this all over again. I think you guys are gluttons for punishment. 😲
Yes, and this is expected. Every single message we make, will have this concern no matter what. We have general experience on how to market and promote :). Having put it out there en mass without consideration for our core audience first would have been a worse mess, I can assure you. I've experienced first-hand improper handling of how to promote something. While you can never be sure how it will go (like this forum announcement itself), there are some general guidelines.

This conversation about how we're promoting the forum system is ending for now. We're spinning here, and it's taking up Ben's post unnecessarily.
I suspect Ben is grateful for any post to which he doesn't need to respond :-)

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Sherm

Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album
 
Thanks for engaging in the conversation here.

i’ve previously shared lists in this thread of the factors we prioritized in looking for a new forum system.

A specific look or the ability to heavily customize the look of the forums was not a priority or focus for us.

Also, we are aware that XenForo has experienced brief outages in its past.

Gmail, Google Docs, Reddit, Spotify and Amazon Web Services have also all experienced unexpected down times and outages over the last year.

We wish all of the core web tools and services we rely on were bullet proof, but that appears to be a tall ask.
 
Has anyone else noticed that Ben Bowers' posts don't have any quoted text... is he perhaps using threaded view? I'm not asking this (just) to be mischievous. I'm a flat view user and replies with no quotes are very hard to follow, especially in long threads like this one.
I don't think it is hard to follow in flat view. The header on top of the post says who he is replying to, and if you click that name you will be redirected to that actual post (if you want to see it again).
Yes, but clicking backwards and forwards to read posts and their replies feels a lot like threaded view, without its other advantages. When a reply correctly quotes a previous post (as yours did) this isn't necessary.
I thought the new system didn’t know the parent of a new post?

A
I think this example was about Ben Bowers' replies on this current forum.

Maybe you are right about the behavior on the new forum if you don't quote. If you quote there will be a link on top of the quote that link back to the quoted post.
Good to know - is that a core function of XenForo? In that case the database does know the tree structure.

A
Any quoted text includes its source record ID. If there are multiple quotes then each one has its own source record ID.

If a post is created without a quote then the post contains no source record.

Posts migrated from current DPR will contain no source record information.
Thanks - so you can quote multiple posts in the same post? How does that work on an Android phone?

I hope you don't mind answering this Qs, in advance of Matthew getting his FAQs up.

A
In the Xenforo forums, there's always a text entry box at the bottom of the post collection. On each post, there's a "Add quote" button which adds the post to the text entry box. If you tap "Add quote" for multiple posts, they all appear in the text entry box.

There's no equivalent to the current "reply" to a specific post without carrying the quote over. If you want to reply to a specific post without a quote, you need to erase the quote text after it's copied.

Once the quote is in the text entry box - I believe it's copied with up to 2 levels of nesting - you can edit it. Once you've posted, the quotes appear truncated but can be expanded to full text via an "expand" control.

It's quite useable on my iPhone.

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Sherm
Sherms flickr page

P950 album

P900 album RX10iv album
OM1.2 150-600 album
Great news Sherm. Thanks
 
I’ve shared several times here the list of goals and priorities we had for identifying the best next phase for the forums.
Moving to a new solution simply for the novelty of it was never a factor.

After decades of investing and developing our own custom software, making a decision to walk away from It and leave it behind was not easy or desirable.

But as many members here experienced in software and web services have shared, the realities of supporting, continuously updating and evolving customer software are extremely daunting and fraught for any business - let alone one our size.

Much of the reality around this is what pushed us to be open about implementing a new system.

It’s the same reason why most of us opt for using all manner of massive off the shelf or boxed web services and solutions vs. trying to code and maintain our own versions of email, apps, social media platforms, computer operating systems, etc.

They are more reliable and sustainable than anything homebrewed.
 
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Also, we are aware that XenForo has experienced brief outages in its past.
Gmail, Google Docs, Reddit, Spotify and Amazon Web Services have also all experienced unexpected down times and outages over the last year.
Ben,

Are you not putting it on your own platform? You should then have much better control of downtime (and storage - but that's a different subject)

Alan
 
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