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Nope DGO has nothing to do with dual gainDR is defined from noise floor to saturation, ie RN to FWC. The HCG path of DGO reduces read noise.The only effect of dgo though is not to reduce read noise but to expand the overall rangeBecause with an electronic shutter the logic would have to contend with continuous integration from incoming light from the scene while doing the two readouts, whereas that's not an issue with the mechanical shutter. This is also why I believe Panasonic is using a different DR boosting mechanism for video since that only supports the electronic shutter.Swithing high gain and low gain real time in an exposure is not something that you can do in a short time I believe but maybe this is what Panasonic is doing but then why only with the mechanical shutter?The nature of your questions suggest we are defining DGO differently, at least the scope of DGO. For the purposes in this thread I'm defining DGO as any use of both LCG and HCG in the production of the output, without inferring any specific technique in which that is performed. If you read online, DGO is used pretty loosely in the industry for disparate implementations, so for better or worse I'm following that same tradition. I'd rather not bog this thread down with terminology discussions but nevertheless when my investigation is complete I'll consider a postscript post where I narrow the definition of the terms used. Until then, I'll continue using DGO in this manner.There was an open question in BIll's PDR thread about whether the S1 II's impressive PDR results were due to NR (based on FFTs) vs Panasonic doing some type of undocumented DR boost in stills (S1 II manual says DR boost setting only available in video mode, describing it as fixed to "off" for stills). Bill's PDR measurements were based on the mechanical shutter - to help answer the NR vs HDR question we need electronic shutter results as well, since the the S1 II's 14-bit readout speed is identical to the Z6 III, so it can't be doing HDR/dual gain on the electronic shutter but there was a possibility it was doing it for the mechanical, as the readout speed can't be measured for the mechanical shutter.
I just measured the S1 II's noise for the mechanical vs electronic shutter. Here are the results:
The S1 II ISO 100 noise is significantly lower for the mechanical shutter vs electronic, which supports the theory the camera is doing some type of HDR/dual gain readout when using the mechanical shutter. This is further supported by the fact there is no material noise difference between the mechanical vs electronic shutter at ISO 800, which is the high conversion gain point on the sensor and thus doesn't have a second gain available to HDR/merge.
Because for the grafting technique I proposed there would only be HCG data available at the exposures/FWCs related to ISOs that currently employ HCG.My comments
1. Why would this effect only in low gain if this was DGO
See terminology comments above. Also, based on your comments Bill's thread you seem to believe that the rendered output bitdepth must match the input bit depth. That's not the case. For example, in your post I just linked to you didn't believe the S1 II uses 14-bit readout for video since the ProRes raw it generates is 12-bit. However my sensor readout measurements have already confirmed the camera is using 14-bit for video, including its ProRes raw output. Bit-depth resampling between input and output is not at all uncommon. There is no need to inflate the file size beyond what the resulting DR supports.2. DGO typically uses a higher bit depth of the normal files are those are combined exposure offset 2 stops
See terminology comments above3. Read noise in all DGO cameras are normally very high those are low
No other camera or hybrid on the market I've seen uses DGO techniques. I've only seen it on cinema cameras like the Canon C70 or Alexa ALEV sensor.4. Input referred noise of this camera is weird and not similar to anything else
See terminology comments above5. Not sure about your comment about the gain. The DGO does not read the sensor with low and high gain. It simply sends the information to two circuits and then combines in the digital domain the two exposures.
EFCS should yield the same results as mechanical but it's on my list to verify.I did not test the camera with the various shutter types but next I would check EFCS vs full mechanical vs electronic to see what results you get
Note that in none of those scenarios mechanical shutter is interesting for anything which makes me think something else is going on here
its based on taking two reads at single and double exposure time hence it doenst work well at slow shutter speed
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