Lightroom Classic 14.2 and Lightroom 8.2 are available - Adaptive Profiles

Ok ,I exaggerated it.

I use it myself , but almost only in local adjustment. Mostly to make a dreamy effect. Blake Rudis (You Tube video I linked to ) is one of the best retoucher i know about.

ATP62 said:

Ok ,I exaggerated it.

I use it myself , but almost only in local adjustment. Mostly to make a dreamy effect. Blake Rudis (You Tube video I linked to ) is one of the best retoucher i know about.

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NP. They can have negative effects when not used correctly so you weren’t incorrect.

selwynbr said:

dj_paige said:

dj_paige said:

Regarding the new Adaptive Profiles, Adobe says "Adaptive profiles are most effective when used with raw HDR files." Why is that? Why would they be less effective with an ordinary RAW image?

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Julianne Kost seems to imply that the new Adaptive Profiles work just fine with non-HDR raws.

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she also suggests that the file should have no adjustments whatsoever when applying the adaptive profile.

After trying out the adaptive profile on a number of different images, I find that the files are "overbaked" for my liking, & turning down the opacity does not really help. My preferred starting point (using Sony) is Camera Light with a few tweaks.

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I was initially disappointed in Adaptive Color tried on existing images until I reset all the adjustments/sliders.

Zeee said:

I think I’m going to create a preset to open all the files in Adaptive Colour and see how it goes. The amount slider is a nice touch that provides a lot of control. I’ll have no other tweaks like Texture, etc and apply them after via masking.

I’ll keep my old import preset around. Do some comparisons when in doubt. Most of the time Adaptive is pretty good. Occasionally it results in some weird adjustments.

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I tried importing with Adaptive Color profile. I found it was not applied and had red dots indicating need to update the AI settings.

jrsforums said:

Zeee said:

I think I’m going to create a preset to open all the files in Adaptive Colour and see how it goes. The amount slider is a nice touch that provides a lot of control. I’ll have no other tweaks like Texture, etc and apply them after via masking.

I’ll keep my old import preset around. Do some comparisons when in doubt. Most of the time Adaptive is pretty good. Occasionally it results in some weird adjustments.

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I tried importing with Adaptive Color profile. I found it was not applied and had red dots indicating need to update the AI settings.

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There was a question about this on the Lightroom Queen forums today. This is by design and the solution is to bulk select the imported photos in the Library view and select..

Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings

jrsforums said:

selwynbr said:

dj_paige said:

dj_paige said:

Regarding the new Adaptive Profiles, Adobe says "Adaptive profiles are most effective when used with raw HDR files." Why is that? Why would they be less effective with an ordinary RAW image?

Click to expand...

Julianne Kost seems to imply that the new Adaptive Profiles work just fine with non-HDR raws.

Click to expand...

she also suggests that the file should have no adjustments whatsoever when applying the adaptive profile.

After trying out the adaptive profile on a number of different images, I find that the files are "overbaked" for my liking, & turning down the opacity does not really help. My preferred starting point (using Sony) is Camera Light with a few tweaks.

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I was initially disappointed in Adaptive Color tried on existing images until I reset all the adjustments/sliders.

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That is important. :-D

Zeee said:

jrsforums said:

selwynbr said:

dj_paige said:

dj_paige said:

Regarding the new Adaptive Profiles, Adobe says "Adaptive profiles are most effective when used with raw HDR files." Why is that? Why would they be less effective with an ordinary RAW image?

Click to expand...

Julianne Kost seems to imply that the new Adaptive Profiles work just fine with non-HDR raws.

Click to expand...

she also suggests that the file should have no adjustments whatsoever when applying the adaptive profile.

After trying out the adaptive profile on a number of different images, I find that the files are "overbaked" for my liking, & turning down the opacity does not really help. My preferred starting point (using Sony) is Camera Light with a few tweaks.

Click to expand...

I was initially disappointed in Adaptive Color tried on existing images until I reset all the adjustments/sliders.

Click to expand...

That is important. :-D

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Yep….and I knew that….but forgot…tried quite a few and was about to give up when I got that ‘slap yer head’ moment

In my limited testing of Adaptive Profiles so far, I haven't really found them to be particularly useful. Most of my photos are architecture, some are soccer or volleyball or zoo animals, and I'm not seeing uses for Adaptive profiles with these photos.

I took an architecture photo (an old building) which had the sky mostly blown out. So, I created a virtual copy, and then set all the sliders to zero and selected Adaptive Color. Then it produced a different image, I could see the improvement over the unedited raw, but it still wasn't as good as my previously edited versions of this image. So next step, edit the virtual copy with the Adaptive Color and after doing similar amount of work compared to my original edit, I get a similar result. In other words, similar results with similar amounts of work.

What types of photos are you using Adaptive Color on where you see benefit?

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Paige Miller

presets or Colour profiles to the new Adaptive Color profile, especially when you have a lot of files. There are two ways of doing this. You can import files using your typical method or using the new Adaptive Profile. At any point you just have to be careful not have any previous adjustments when you apply Adaptive Color.

Important step. Currently if you apply an Adaptive Color preset you created for importing it will not apply to the files. You will see an Update warning under the under the profile and red dots under the slider adjustment icon and beside the Basic tab title. Easy fix. Select all the files, switch Sync to Auto Sync and press Update. Or you can do that after importing. I'm sure this is a temporary thing Adobe will correct.

This is all about creating Virtual Copies for all the RAW files in one step and then deleting them. Fine tune this to how you want to use it, if it's useful to you. Do a few test runs first with a handful files you don't need. Feel free to suggest any improvements to this.

This is all done in the Develop Page after import

1. Edit- Select All

2. Right click on any file and select Create Virtual Copies. Only Virtual Copies will be highlighted.

3. On top bar select - Photo - Set Flag - Flagged

4. Switch Sync to Auto Sync

5. If you imported using Adaptive Color ignore step 6 and go to step 7

6. If you imported using a Custom Preset or Color Profile that has adjustments - Press Reset.

7. Click on your desired Preset or Profile

Now you can select and view any files and compare your preset or profile you normally use to the new Adaptive Color profile. Make any changes to the original RAW file.

When done

1. Edit - Select Flagged Photos

2. Right click on any file that is a copy

3. Remove Photos - Remove from Lightroom. This will remove all the Virtual Copies.

Corialtus said:

jrsforums said:

Zeee said:

I think I’m going to create a preset to open all the files in Adaptive Colour and see how it goes. The amount slider is a nice touch that provides a lot of control. I’ll have no other tweaks like Texture, etc and apply them after via masking.

I’ll keep my old import preset around. Do some comparisons when in doubt. Most of the time Adaptive is pretty good. Occasionally it results in some weird adjustments.

Click to expand...

I tried importing with Adaptive Color profile. I found it was not applied and had red dots indicating need to update the AI settings.

Click to expand...

There was a question about this on the Lightroom Queen forums today. This is by design and the solution is to bulk select the imported photos in the Library view and select..

Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings

Click to expand...

You can also be in the Develop module. Select all the files, switch Sync to Auto Sync and press Update on any file.

jrsforums said:

Zeee said:

jrsforums said:

selwynbr said:

dj_paige said:

dj_paige said:

Regarding the new Adaptive Profiles, Adobe says "Adaptive profiles are most effective when used with raw HDR files." Why is that? Why would they be less effective with an ordinary RAW image?

Click to expand...

Julianne Kost seems to imply that the new Adaptive Profiles work just fine with non-HDR raws.

Click to expand...

she also suggests that the file should have no adjustments whatsoever when applying the adaptive profile.

After trying out the adaptive profile on a number of different images, I find that the files are "overbaked" for my liking, & turning down the opacity does not really help. My preferred starting point (using Sony) is Camera Light with a few tweaks.

Click to expand...

I was initially disappointed in Adaptive Color tried on existing images until I reset all the adjustments/sliders.

Click to expand...

That is important. :-D

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Yep….and I knew that….but forgot…tried quite a few and was about to give up when I got that ‘slap yer head’ moment

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Same happened to me a few times.

dj_paige said:

In my limited testing of Adaptive Profiles so far, I haven't really found them to be particularly useful. Most of my photos are architecture, some are soccer or volleyball or zoo animals, and I'm not seeing uses for Adaptive profiles with these photos.

I took an architecture photo (an old building) which had the sky mostly blown out. So, I created a virtual copy, and then set all the sliders to zero and selected Adaptive Color. Then it produced a different image, I could see the improvement over the unedited raw, but it still wasn't as good as my previously edited versions of this image. So next step, edit the virtual copy with the Adaptive Color and after doing similar amount of work compared to my original edit, I get a similar result. In other words, similar results with similar amounts of work.

What types of photos are you using Adaptive Color on where you see benefit?

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I am still evaluating. For individual photos, I have no problem tryout lots of things to optimize the image…it’s worth doing.



i am currently doing basketball games, which includes players and signage (for the marketing teams). Lots of shoots….and quick turnaround, with minimal touches to each image is the goal. I was getting great first. Step using a custom profile (Cobalt Neutral), plus AutoTone (none of the Adobe & Camera profiles worked really good). Many of these would still need additional basic touches of tone curve, etc. my initial (a few days, as cpu need a heart transplant) is that Adaptive Color may get me closer….TBD.

jrsforums said:

dj_paige said:

In my limited testing of Adaptive Profiles so far, I haven't really found them to be particularly useful. Most of my photos are architecture, some are soccer or volleyball or zoo animals, and I'm not seeing uses for Adaptive profiles with these photos.

I took an architecture photo (an old building) which had the sky mostly blown out. So, I created a virtual copy, and then set all the sliders to zero and selected Adaptive Color. Then it produced a different image, I could see the improvement over the unedited raw, but it still wasn't as good as my previously edited versions of this image. So next step, edit the virtual copy with the Adaptive Color and after doing similar amount of work compared to my original edit, I get a similar result. In other words, similar results with similar amounts of work.

What types of photos are you using Adaptive Color on where you see benefit?

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I am still evaluating. For individual photos, I have no problem tryout lots of things to optimize the image…it’s worth doing.

i am currently doing basketball games, which includes players and signage (for the marketing teams). Lots of shoots….and quick turnaround, with minimal touches to each image is the goal. I was getting great first. Step using a custom profile (Cobalt Neutral), plus AutoTone (none of the Adobe & Camera profiles worked really good). Many of these would still need additional basic touches of tone curve, etc. my initial (a few days, as cpu need a heart transplant) is that Adaptive Color may get me closer….TBD.

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I he been shooting with Adobe Neutral and Auto at import for a few years and have been pretty happy. Now there is a new wrench in the works. :-D

Zeee said:

jrsforums said:

dj_paige said:

In my limited testing of Adaptive Profiles so far, I haven't really found them to be particularly useful. Most of my photos are architecture, some are soccer or volleyball or zoo animals, and I'm not seeing uses for Adaptive profiles with these photos.

I took an architecture photo (an old building) which had the sky mostly blown out. So, I created a virtual copy, and then set all the sliders to zero and selected Adaptive Color. Then it produced a different image, I could see the improvement over the unedited raw, but it still wasn't as good as my previously edited versions of this image. So next step, edit the virtual copy with the Adaptive Color and after doing similar amount of work compared to my original edit, I get a similar result. In other words, similar results with similar amounts of work.

What types of photos are you using Adaptive Color on where you see benefit?

Click to expand...

I am still evaluating. For individual photos, I have no problem tryout lots of things to optimize the image…it’s worth doing.

i am currently doing basketball games, which includes players and signage (for the marketing teams). Lots of shoots….and quick turnaround, with minimal touches to each image is the goal. I was getting great first. Step using a custom profile (Cobalt Neutral), plus AutoTone (none of the Adobe & Camera profiles worked really good). Many of these would still need additional basic touches of tone curve, etc. my initial (a few days, as cpu need a heart transplant) is that Adaptive Color may get me closer….TBD.

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I he been shooting with Adobe Neutral and Auto at import for a few years and have been pretty happy. Now there is a new wrench in the works. :-D

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Does this imply you like the results from Adaptive Color? You don't say one way or the other. And what types of photos are these that you are using it on?

dj_paige said:

Zeee said:

jrsforums said:

dj_paige said:

In my limited testing of Adaptive Profiles so far, I haven't really found them to be particularly useful. Most of my photos are architecture, some are soccer or volleyball or zoo animals, and I'm not seeing uses for Adaptive profiles with these photos.

I took an architecture photo (an old building) which had the sky mostly blown out. So, I created a virtual copy, and then set all the sliders to zero and selected Adaptive Color. Then it produced a different image, I could see the improvement over the unedited raw, but it still wasn't as good as my previously edited versions of this image. So next step, edit the virtual copy with the Adaptive Color and after doing similar amount of work compared to my original edit, I get a similar result. In other words, similar results with similar amounts of work.

What types of photos are you using Adaptive Color on where you see benefit?

Click to expand...

I am still evaluating. For individual photos, I have no problem tryout lots of things to optimize the image…it’s worth doing.

i am currently doing basketball games, which includes players and signage (for the marketing teams). Lots of shoots….and quick turnaround, with minimal touches to each image is the goal. I was getting great first. Step using a custom profile (Cobalt Neutral), plus AutoTone (none of the Adobe & Camera profiles worked really good). Many of these would still need additional basic touches of tone curve, etc. my initial (a few days, as cpu need a heart transplant) is that Adaptive Color may get me closer….TBD.

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I he been shooting with Adobe Neutral and Auto at import for a few years and have been pretty happy. Now there is a new wrench in the works. :-D

Click to expand...

Does this imply you like the results from Adaptive Color? You don't say one way or the other. And what types of photos are these that you are using it on?

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I like most of the results so far but I have tested it enough yet to be sure. Wildlife mostly. Then there is urban settings.

Zeee said:

dj_paige said:

Zeee said:

jrsforums said:

dj_paige said:

In my limited testing of Adaptive Profiles so far, I haven't really found them to be particularly useful. Most of my photos are architecture, some are soccer or volleyball or zoo animals, and I'm not seeing uses for Adaptive profiles with these photos.

I took an architecture photo (an old building) which had the sky mostly blown out. So, I created a virtual copy, and then set all the sliders to zero and selected Adaptive Color. Then it produced a different image, I could see the improvement over the unedited raw, but it still wasn't as good as my previously edited versions of this image. So next step, edit the virtual copy with the Adaptive Color and after doing similar amount of work compared to my original edit, I get a similar result. In other words, similar results with similar amounts of work.

What types of photos are you using Adaptive Color on where you see benefit?

Click to expand...

I am still evaluating. For individual photos, I have no problem tryout lots of things to optimize the image…it’s worth doing.

i am currently doing basketball games, which includes players and signage (for the marketing teams). Lots of shoots….and quick turnaround, with minimal touches to each image is the goal. I was getting great first. Step using a custom profile (Cobalt Neutral), plus AutoTone (none of the Adobe & Camera profiles worked really good). Many of these would still need additional basic touches of tone curve, etc. my initial (a few days, as cpu need a heart transplant) is that Adaptive Color may get me closer….TBD.

Click to expand...

I he been shooting with Adobe Neutral and Auto at import for a few years and have been pretty happy. Now there is a new wrench in the works. :-D

Click to expand...

Does this imply you like the results from Adaptive Color? You don't say one way or the other. And what types of photos are these that you are using it on?

Click to expand...

I like most of the results so far but I have tested it enough yet to be sure. Wildlife mostly. Then there is urban settings.

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While you can't recover blown out highlights you have better control of them and shadows using neutral instead of baked profile. I settle on Neutral which is very flat but when you add Auto. I based it on this. The author likes the camera's neutral profile but I like Adobe's better. The images aren't as punch but over time I started preferring them because to me out has a more natural look. The amount slider available in the Adaptive Color profile really helps.

I started with Linear profiles but I really didn't care for them.

Zeee said:

Corialtus said:

jrsforums said:

Zeee said:

I think I’m going to create a preset to open all the files in Adaptive Colour and see how it goes. The amount slider is a nice touch that provides a lot of control. I’ll have no other tweaks like Texture, etc and apply them after via masking.

I’ll keep my old import preset around. Do some comparisons when in doubt. Most of the time Adaptive is pretty good. Occasionally it results in some weird adjustments.

Click to expand...

I tried importing with Adaptive Color profile. I found it was not applied and had red dots indicating need to update the AI settings.

Click to expand...

There was a question about this on the Lightroom Queen forums today. This is by design and the solution is to bulk select the imported photos in the Library view and select..

Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings

Click to expand...

You can also be in the Develop module. Select all the files, switch Sync to Auto Sync and press Update on any file.

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True, but Auto Sync is a dangerous weapon that I prefer to avoid where possible Particularly if you forget to turn it off immediately after the update.

Remember the old mantra... "Don't Drink and Auto Sync"

Corialtus said:

Zeee said:

Corialtus said:

jrsforums said:

Zeee said:

I think I’m going to create a preset to open all the files in Adaptive Colour and see how it goes. The amount slider is a nice touch that provides a lot of control. I’ll have no other tweaks like Texture, etc and apply them after via masking.

I’ll keep my old import preset around. Do some comparisons when in doubt. Most of the time Adaptive is pretty good. Occasionally it results in some weird adjustments.

Click to expand...

I tried importing with Adaptive Color profile. I found it was not applied and had red dots indicating need to update the AI settings.

Click to expand...

There was a question about this on the Lightroom Queen forums today. This is by design and the solution is to bulk select the imported photos in the Library view and select..

Photo > Develop Settings > Update AI Settings

Click to expand...

You can also be in the Develop module. Select all the files, switch Sync to Auto Sync and press Update on any file.

Click to expand...

True, but Auto Sync is a dangerous weapon that I prefer to avoid where possible Particularly if you forget to turn it off immediately after the update.

Remember the old mantra... "Don't Drink and Auto Sync"

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That's a good one. Schwarzenegger should have used that line in one of his movies. Too late now. I used to be "I'll be back". Now it's "Oh my back".

I watched Anthony Morganti's new youtube video about adaptive profiles. I didn't really watch the rest of the video.

Morganti takes an incredibly boring photo and compares Adaptive Color to Adobe Color; and compares Adaptive B&W to Adobe Monochrome.

In this video, the color photo with Adaptive Color plus some manual edits was brighter than the same photo with Adobe Color after manual edits as if this is an insurmountable difference and as if this was proof of the benefit of Adaptive Color. I wanted to yell at the screen "WE KNOW HOW TO CHANGE BRIGHTNESS". He admits that there isn't much visible difference between the Adaptive B&W plus manual edits versus the Adobe Monochrome with manual edits.

He then says on the basis of this comparison that sometimes Adaptive Profiles will help, and sometimes they will not help. Leaving me wondering if anyone has a good example of a SDR photo (not HDR, I don't have that hardware) where the Adaptive Profiles with additional manual edits really do make a difference. If you see such a video that shows an SDR photo where Adaptive Profiles really make a difference, please let me know here in this thread.

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Paige Miller