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SigmaDelta10 said:
“The future of X-Pro"

"For all these apparent hints at a more video-centric model, Igarashi ended the interview by raising the subject of one of the company's most photo-focused models: the rangefinder style X-Pro series. "That's an important category for us. We started with the rangefinder-style X100, then we introduced the rangefinder-style interchangeable [model], the X-Pro," he reminds us. "That's a line we're determined to continue.”

The above is a quote from an interview by Richard Butler with Jun Watanabe and Yuki Igarashi published on DPreview on march 19 this year.

I don't know wat to make of that. A camera they are determined to continue but hasn't been available for years. Saying one thing and doing another.

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"An ounce of performance is worth pounds of promises" - Mae West
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Sounds like there was a lie.....
 
Jeff Biscuits said:
DirkPeh said:
I guess the XM-5 has become a more affordable XE style camera
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How? No viewfinder, no shutter speed dial, and a screen that’s suited to video.
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Target users and price. The XE-4 already had just a tiny VF and looked cheap compared to the X100V. The X-M5 is more affordable, has this Film-Sim dial and looks cool. Wouldn’t it make sense for Fuji, to offer the XM-5 and a successor to the XE-4 and X-Pro with a better VF, all the dials and a higher build quality? While a XE-5 would be a compromise between quality and affordability, not cheap enough for an entry level cam, not good enough for enthusiasts?
 
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DirkPeh said:
The XE-4 already had just a tiny VF and looked cheap compared to the X100V.
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I guess it’s a little subjective. Personally I’d disagree on both fronts: I find the EVF just as usable as the one in the X100V and I think the X-E4 is the better looking camera and doesn’t have a couple of minor build quality issues that my X100V had. (I will concede that the two buttons on the rear do feel naff, though.)
DirkPeh said:
The X-M5 is more affordable, has this Film-Sim dial and looks cool. Wouldn’t it make sense for Fuji, to offer the XM-5 and a successor to the XE-4 and X-Pro with a better VF, all the dials and a higher build quality? While a XE-5 would be a compromise between quality and affordability, not cheap enough for an entry level cam, not good enough for enthusiasts?
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Maybe. I think the X-M5 is too video-oriented to prop up a premium photography line like that. Personally I can’t find a use for an articulating screen on a camera with no viewfinder, though I guess some people like the X-A7.

We will have to see, I guess. But the comments and rumours still point to the X-E and X-Pro continuing to exist. Despite the fact that a “X-EPro” with the right features chosen from each would pretty much be my ideal camera, I don’t buy into the idea that just because the X-Pro may not be coming next year it’s never coming at all.

It’s just a case of waiting 🙂
 
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Jeff Biscuits said:
John Gellings said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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Why? it's not like the X-E3/X-E4 and GFX-50R weren't around during the X-Pro2/3. As long as Fuji is selling a camera, why would that matter?
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Well, I’m just hypothesising of course. But next year it will be four years since the last X-E, six years since the last X-Pro, and seven years since the last rangefinder-style GFX. That’s a lot of rangefinder-style buyers chomping at the bit, and it seems like daft marketing to suddenly drop all three replacements in short order.
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However, that’s exactly what they’ve done in the past when they weren’t as hot as they are now.
Jeff Biscuits said:
In principle I’m tempted by all of them (at least if Fuji fix their awful new custom settings model) but I can’t see me buying even two of them in one year.
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Surely one is more useful than the others for you.
Jeff Biscuits said:
I doubt that’s the reason; maybe there are some new details on the two new models which will gather feedback that makes the final decisions on some X-Pro3 details.

Whatever it is, at least there seem to be two genuinely interesting cameras on the way after a period of slightly mundane ones.
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True.
 
biza43 said:
John Gellings said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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Why? it's not like the X-E3/X-E4 and GFX-50R weren't around during the X-Pro2/3. As long as Fuji is selling a camera, why would that matter?
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I suppose that we all would like companies to have infinite resources. Fujiflm are already working on what could be a landmark camera in 2025, the fixed lens GFX. They must be investing a lot in that one. Plus, the XE-5, which will be marketed as the natural upgrade for X100 users, with the possibility of swapping lenses.
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Thats true and Fuji isn’t the type of company gunning for the #1 spot in cameras either.
biza43 said:
Also, the XPro series always had a long interval between replacements
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4 years maximum… never more.
 
DirkPeh said:
I guess the XM-5 has become a more affordable XE style camera, a X100 style camera with interchangeable lenses.
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Uhm, no… that’s clearly a low end model. It doesn’t have the style of the X100 nor the functionality of the X-E series.
DirkPeh said:
So it wouldn’t make sense for Fuji to offer a XE-5 along with a X-Pro4.
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Why not? They’ve done it from the X-Pro1 until the X-E4. That’s like 10 years.
DirkPeh said:
They might combine both in a new model.
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Satisfying users of neither.

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Robert A said:
I'm glad I bought a used X-Pro3 earlier this year. But I'm puzzled why Fuji won't produce more of them if the replacement is more than a year away.
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John Gellings said:
Surely one is more useful than the others for you.
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Well, it just depends on the details of how each of them turn out. I’ve got an X-E3 and I’ve got an X-Pro3 and they’re mostly just fine and dandy, certainly not holding me back or constantly frustrating me, so it’s not like I need to replace either. And the GFX wouldn’t replace anything, it’d be an addition, a touch of Gas, but again it all depends on the details.

Fundamentally, I have some great kit already and don’t need new stuff, so the rumours don’t bother me. I’m just curious to see the directions they take 🙂
 
Jeff Biscuits said:
And the GFX wouldn’t replace anything, it’d be an addition, a touch of Gas, but again it all depends on the details.

Fundamentally, I have some great kit already and don’t need new stuff, so the rumours don’t bother me. I’m just curious to see the directions they take 🙂
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Go for the GFX then. I´ve had the GFX-50R for 4 years now and absolutely love it. It was an additional camera and now I it has allowed (or maybe inspired) for new projects I would not have done with my APSC / FF 2:3 cameras. The fixed lens doesn't intrigue me though not being a normal lens. That said, I am looking forward to buying a used GFX100s in the next half year or so.
 
John Gellings said:
Go for the GFX then. I´ve had the GFX-50R for 4 years now and absolutely love it.
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It’s the one camera which, more than any other, if anything happened to it I would rush out and immediately buy another one.

The thing is that I use it with adapted 35mm lenses; I don’t seem to have much love for the optical perfection of GF lenses. So a fixed-lens GFX might not actually appeal to me—what I really want is a 100R with IBIS and an ISO dial. Still, it’s all interesting stuff that no-one else is making, so I look forward to seeing it anyway.
 
DJ STU-C said:
Look on the bright side though, at least it took 92 comments before autofocus was shoehorned into the discussion.
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LOL - best thing I've seen today!
 
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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If that is their thinking, it’s a mistake IMO. I love the X-Pro line but have literally zero interest in any XE5 or (doubtless hugely expensive, big and heavy) GFX100RF.

The longer Fuji put off any return of the X-Pro, the more they risk people like me simply leaving the system, since there’s literally nothing they’re making for me at the moment.
 
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ASeventhSea said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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If that is their thinking, it’s a mistake IMO. I love the X-Pro line but have literally zero interest in any XE5 or (doubtless hugely expensive, big and heavy) GFX100RF.

The longer Fuji put off any return of the X-Pro, the more they risk people like me simply leaving the system, since there’s literally nothing they’re making for me at the moment.
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Supposedly the fixed lens GFX camera will be about X-Pro sized, so that at least could make it interesting.
 
green_badger said:
ASeventhSea said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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If that is their thinking, it’s a mistake IMO. I love the X-Pro line but have literally zero interest in any XE5 or (doubtless hugely expensive, big and heavy) GFX100RF.

The longer Fuji put off any return of the X-Pro, the more they risk people like me simply leaving the system, since there’s literally nothing they’re making for me at the moment.
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Supposedly the fixed lens GFX camera will be about X-Pro sized, so that at least could make it interesting.
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Hmm.. will believe it when I see it. I suspect “about X-Pro sized” really means “only a bit bigger than the X-Pro” and the X-Pro is already a little on the large size. Either way it will definitely be expensive!
 
green_badger said:
ASeventhSea said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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If that is their thinking, it’s a mistake IMO. I love the X-Pro line but have literally zero interest in any XE5 or (doubtless hugely expensive, big and heavy) GFX100RF.

The longer Fuji put off any return of the X-Pro, the more they risk people like me simply leaving the system, since there’s literally nothing they’re making for me at the moment.
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Supposedly the fixed lens GFX camera will be about X-Pro sized, so that at least could make it interesting.
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But only if you like wide angle lenses. And yes, I know you can crop, but that's a not good enough solution.
 
ASeventhSea said:
The X-Pro3 will have been off the market for three years by that point, after clearly being discontinued early and as something of a disappointment.
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Well, the screen issue certainly contributed and then there was the other point that Fuji needed any like parts in order to fill X100V orders at the time.
ASeventhSea said:
I know some exec made some encouraging comments earlier in the year, but they seem to say a lot of things and not all of them are true. I can’t help feeling at this point that it’s all just flannel.
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Yeah, but then again, the Japanese are pretty honest in general. Add to the fact that these are guys representing the company's camera division. They don't make big mistakes. It could have been true at the time, but not anymore. Who knows. All I know is that I am no longer interested in Fuji X even if the X-Pro4 came out tomorrow. They still have me though... GFX.

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John Gellings said:
green_badger said:
ASeventhSea said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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If that is their thinking, it’s a mistake IMO. I love the X-Pro line but have literally zero interest in any XE5 or (doubtless hugely expensive, big and heavy) GFX100RF.

The longer Fuji put off any return of the X-Pro, the more they risk people like me simply leaving the system, since there’s literally nothing they’re making for me at the moment.
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Supposedly the fixed lens GFX camera will be about X-Pro sized, so that at least could make it interesting.
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But only if you like wide angle lenses. And yes, I know you can crop, but that's a not good enough solution.
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Leica Q3 (cough, cough). I think it’s an ok strategy. I have rules of thumb for maximum cropping on my Fujifilm sensors to simulate longer focal lengths: cropping to 4500 pixels on the long side = 2x for 26mp and 2.5x for 40mp (this also takes into account the ASPC multiplier). I think the results are fine.

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GreatOceanSoftware said:
John Gellings said:
green_badger said:
ASeventhSea said:
Jeff Biscuits said:
In fairness, if the X-E5 and the GFX100RF are scheduled for next year, the X-Pro would presumably risk stealing sales from both of them.
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If that is their thinking, it’s a mistake IMO. I love the X-Pro line but have literally zero interest in any XE5 or (doubtless hugely expensive, big and heavy) GFX100RF.

The longer Fuji put off any return of the X-Pro, the more they risk people like me simply leaving the system, since there’s literally nothing they’re making for me at the moment.
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Supposedly the fixed lens GFX camera will be about X-Pro sized, so that at least could make it interesting.
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But only if you like wide angle lenses. And yes, I know you can crop, but that's a not good enough solution.
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Leica Q3 (cough, cough).
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Yeah, don't like the cropping there either. I'm not buying a $6500 camera and cropping it down to M43 to get a normal lens (though the 43mm model now exists).
GreatOceanSoftware said:
I think it’s an ok strategy.
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Sure, for some, but not for me. I'd rather use the lens I want and deal with the bigger GFX camera, so I do.
GreatOceanSoftware said:
I have rules of thumb for maximum cropping on my Fujifilm sensors to simulate longer focal lengths: cropping to 4500 pixels on the long side = 2x for 26mp and 2.5x for 40mp (this also takes into account the ASPC multiplier). I think the results are fine.
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It depends on your needs and wants. All that matters is it works for you.
 
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