Nikkor Z 35mm f/1.4 announced

assuming both lenses have the kinds of aberrations.
if that assumption was a battleship it would be too large to sail through the English Channel without scraping its sides simultaneously against England and France.

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Diffraction is what limits contrast, and as we increase the frequency, the diffraction limit in contrast is lower. So 30lp/mm, even in an absolutely perfect lens made by your chosen deity, will never have 100% contrast at these apertures we discuss. That's why the 30lp/mm trace is always lower than the 10lp/mm trace, and why if we had 40 or 50lp/mm, it would be lower still. Even in a perfect lens, which doesn't exist.
Just to supplement both anotherMike's and Leonard's helpful explanations, diffraction is determined by the physical size of your aperture: the bigger the aperture size, the smaller detail you can see with the same diffraction effects. This is for all else being equal: aberrations can destroy detail before diffraction.

For the same f-stop number, a longer lens will have a bigger physical aperture compared to a shorter lens, so a 35/1.4 lens will see less detail than a 105/1.4 lens, all else, including image size (ie. number of pixels on the same subject), being equal. That means MTF for longer lenses with bigger physical apertures will tend to have higher high frequency MTF curves than wider lenses: the 30lp/mm curve will tend to be higher for longer lenses.

For example, a 105/1.4 lens has a physical aperture size of 105 divided by 1.4 = 75mm whereas a 35/1.4 lens has an aperture of 25 mm. So in theory, the 105/1.4 can see details 3 times smaller than the 35/1.4 before the same diffraction effects set in, assuming both lenses have the kinds of aberrations.
I always thought it was dependent on f-stop alone.

Here is a good discussion on this topic:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1488930/
 
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Can someone please interpret the MTF charts for me please? What is the f1.4 chart showing in comparison to the to the f1.8 chart? Does the sloping solid red line on the 1.4 chart mean poorer corner performance, or? Thanks.
The perhaps non-technical explanation...

The gist of Nikon MTFs is the closer the dotted and solid red lines are to eachother, the better the contrast. The closer the solid blue and dotted blue lines are to eachother, the better sharpness, although you also want to look at the curve of these lines too.

The gap between the dotted and solid colored lines will indicate where you will start to lose contrast and resolution/sharpness (there is an official term for that but for simplicity I will stick to common terms). The larger the gap, the more "loss" you will incur although this does not always translate in a linear fashion I guess we'll say but it will indicate that if you have a progressively widen gap in contrast or sharpness over the viewable area you will be losing contrast and/or sharpness the farther out from the center you go.

Ideally, from the center, the straighter or shallower the curve, the better although you do want to watch out for "waves" in the curve, particularly where it might spike say mid-frame as that can indicate some optical deficiencies like filed curvature (areas that may not be as sharp as others).

Ideally you want the least amout of curve (a straight line for both colors would indicate a "perfect" lens that transmits 100% of the light with no optical deficiencies but these don't eixst so my general "rule" is you want the solid and dotted lines to be as close to each other and the least amount of slope). I also feel that how sharp the lens starts out being (From the center) is less important than how sharp it is across the frame IMO. (so by this I mean I'd rather have a lens that starts around 8 or 80% according to their charts, but only drops to about 6 / 60% at the edges with no field curvature, versus a lens that starts out very sharp say 9 or 90% at the center but falls off at the edges, say going to 5/ 50%).

But that's just my personal preference and is based on me doing landscape photography where even sharpness to me is a bit more important than having a lens that starts out very strong but falls off [perhaps sharply] towards t he mid frame or edges.

PhotographyLife had a good article on how to read MTFs for various brands. I would Google it and read it. It's very informative and they basically explain what I just did in more detail. Unfrotunately I feel NIkon's MTFs are a bit more limiting when comparing to ones from say Canon or Sony.

A few things to keep in mind...

Keep in mind that MTFs only give us an idea of how a lens behaves, but you may find that a lens performs to your liking even though the MTFs may not relay that, so in the end, how it looks to you is what matters, not so much the MTF. So take them with a grain of salt. My 40mm f/2 Z lens is not terribly sharp according to the MTF< but it's sharp enough for me and I love that lens. So sharpness is only part of what makes a "good" lens in my opinion. Character (such as how it render bokeh) is also something you may want to consider if that matters to you, so don't make your decisions based just on MTFs or you will go crazy or you may end up with a lens you actually don't like, even though it's sharp on paper.

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It looks pretty good to me...it's not the sharpest, but it's not that bad at all. :)
Built quality is good, sharpness is also good...there are little bit of CA, but that can be removed in LR, AF is also pretty snappy. :)
I just hope Nikon will release their 50mm and 85mm f1.4, and maybe 24mm f1.4 with this kind of optics and price...that would be really good combo :)
 
It looks pretty good to me...it's not the sharpest, but it's not that bad at all. :)
Built quality is good, sharpness is also good...there are little bit of CA, but that can be removed in LR, AF is also pretty snappy. :)
I just hope Nikon will release their 50mm and 85mm f1.4, and maybe 24mm f1.4 with this kind of optics and price...that would be really good combo :)
To me the out of focus rendering/fall off/bokeh look significantly better on the f/1.4 than the f/1.8 S. Even Ricci said that the lens looked more like the Plena in its bokeh.

I really wished he showed the f/1.8 S lens when talking about the Chromatic Aberrations, because when I saw that I thought that it looked very similar to how my copy of the f/1.8 S performs. Pretty much the same, honestly. Seeing them side by side would be very helpful, because the CA on the 35mm f/1.8 S is my biggest complaint.

If anyone does end up getting both, I'd love to see a side by side if possible.
 
I am happy keeping my 1.8. Surely some will like it.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
 
Thanks, Leonard, for the MTF information. Much appreciated.
 
Wow, thanks, Mike, for taking the time and giving us all that great information!

I hope we get the 35mm f1.2 lens soon, and we'll see what you think of that.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
That’s unfortunate! I just had a feeling that I shouldn’t be a Guinea pig on this one, sometimes I actually listen to those feelings. Hopefully we will see a spectacular 35/1.2 at some point.
 
I'm really looking at getting an older 35mm f/1.4 of some type and using a dumb adapter to get similar results. I'm sure it'll cost considerably less even though I lose AF.
 
I'm really looking at getting an older 35mm f/1.4 of some type and using a dumb adapter to get similar results. I'm sure it'll cost considerably less even though I lose AF.
I could use my AF-S 35/1.4 if I really wanted… which hasn’t happened in a few years.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
That’s unfortunate! I just had a feeling that I shouldn’t be a Guinea pig on this one, sometimes I actually listen to those feelings. Hopefully we will see a spectacular 35/1.2 at some point.
Thanks for being understanding. I too am hoping for a stunning 35 f1.2, the sooner the better. What other lens would you like to see? I'd love to see an updated version of the 200mm micro. Your railroad and candid images are fantastic. Did you shoot a lot of film? I did, starting in '64 or so with Tri-X b&w and a tiny darkroom.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
That’s unfortunate! I just had a feeling that I shouldn’t be a Guinea pig on this one, sometimes I actually listen to those feelings. Hopefully we will see a spectacular 35/1.2 at some point.
Thanks for being understanding. I too am hoping for a stunning 35 f1.2, the sooner the better. What other lens would you like to see? I'd love to see an updated version of the 200mm micro. Your railroad and candid images are fantastic. Did you shoot a lot of film? I did, starting in '64 or so with Tri-X b&w and a tiny darkroom.
Thank you, I am flattered. I’m not as active as I once was, but am trying to change that - remarrying and having small kids as a part of the dowry takes up a lot of the time I used to spend trackside.

Yes, I was a heavy film user going back to my first camera, a garage sale Speed Graphic when I was about 10. It barely fit in my bike basket, and I’d ride a mile to the railroad tracks to shoot trains. The local camera store took care of me and kept me stocked with expired sheet film and nearly free processing and contact prints, but they were quick to find me a beat up rollfilm back so I could at least load my own film. I set up my first darkroom around age 13 in ‘75 or so.

There aren’t many lenses left I could logically need beyond PC, I’m still using my ancient 28 and 35 PC-Nikkors. When I moved to Z in 2018, I made a commitment to use zooms the majority of the time instead of my traditional primes and I haven’t regretted the choice at all. A top quality fast 35 woild weaken my resolve, though.
 
Most notably, NOT an S Line lens. At $599 US, cheaper than the Z 35mm f/1.8 S also.

I guess the people who really, really wanted an f/1.4 lens can have it now.

I'm hoping that because it's distinctly NOT an S line lens, the Z 35mm f/1.2 S is still coming.
not weather sealed either i read elsewhere. I would compare to a sigma if they make it for Z ...I have a couple Sigma glass on my Fuji sharp as best Fuji glass
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
Ernie, do you have any sample ugly images? I would be interested to see what this looks like.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
That’s unfortunate! I just had a feeling that I shouldn’t be a Guinea pig on this one, sometimes I actually listen to those feelings. Hopefully we will see a spectacular 35/1.2 at some point.
Thanks for being understanding. I too am hoping for a stunning 35 f1.2, the sooner the better. What other lens would you like to see? I'd love to see an updated version of the 200mm micro. Your railroad and candid images are fantastic. Did you shoot a lot of film? I did, starting in '64 or so with Tri-X b&w and a tiny darkroom.
Thank you, I am flattered. I’m not as active as I once was, but am trying to change that - remarrying and having small kids as a part of the dowry takes up a lot of the time I used to spend trackside.

Yes, I was a heavy film user going back to my first camera, a garage sale Speed Graphic when I was about 10. It barely fit in my bike basket, and I’d ride a mile to the railroad tracks to shoot trains. The local camera store took care of me and kept me stocked with expired sheet film and nearly free processing and contact prints, but they were quick to find me a beat up rollfilm back so I could at least load my own film. I set up my first darkroom around age 13 in ‘75 or so.

There aren’t many lenses left I could logically need beyond PC, I’m still using my ancient 28 and 35 PC-Nikkors. When I moved to Z in 2018, I made a commitment to use zooms the majority of the time instead of my traditional primes and I haven’t regretted the choice at all. A top quality fast 35 woild weaken my resolve, though.
Thanks for the kind reply and totally fun background story. I can just see you riding your bike with the Speed Graphic in the bike basket! All of that great background experience is still paying off for you. Thanks again.
 
I cancelled my preorder today.
I should have done that too. I went ahead and tried it, doing some closeups while looking for interesting bokeh wide open. The sharpness dropped off drastically on my copy when trying to take advantage of it's close focusing capabilities. That left me with some ugly images so I sent it back. Perhaps I should have used it more for general photography before jumping to conclusions.
Ernie, do you have any sample ugly images? I would be interested to see what this looks like.
Sorry but I couldn't get rid of them fast enough before sending my copy of that lens back. Hopefully you can try one out in the camera store and see what you think.
 
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