Torn between the Z 24-120, Z 24-200 and Z 28-400 for Europe trip this fall

Many must have been in the middle of the night, and some with unique access. Thanks for this - they put most of mine of past trips to shame, but more importantly mean that I can leave my photo gear at home next time…

Again, having been there more than once - your photos are outstanding.
 
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Many must have been in the middle of the night, and some with unique access.
No special access - just heading out when others are back home or waiting for the brief moments when crowds clear out of the frame.
Thanks for this - they put most of mine of past trips to shame, but more importantly mean that I can leave my photo gear at home next time…

Again, having been there more than once - your photos are outstanding.
Thank you for your kind words!
 
Maybe I can add a slightly other perspective. When traveling to a strange country you will often find many many opportunities to take interesting and memorable photographs. So many, that if you have a reasonable range, like with your 14-30 and 24-120, you will (mostly) not miss the larger focal lengths. Because you already take 100’s of photographs. :) Map your photographic opportunities versus your focal lengths.

So unless you specifically expect interesting things for you in the 200-400mm range that would be my advice.

Personally, last summer I went on holiday to the baltic states (I am a Dutchman) and brought my 17-28, 24-120 and AF-S 70-300 with me. The latter one I barely used, only some birds in a nature reserve. The 24-120 was enough to also capture more interesting architectural details in the cities. Sure, I would have liked a bit more length for that purpose, but it was enough. I really loved this lens. Using a lens which you love is perhaps also a consideration. All in all, I would say that more then 90% of my photographs were taken with the 24-120.
Later I bought the 24-200 additionally, and for me it felt like not much added value compared with the 24-120, and I could not get warm for this lens, other then a one lens have always with you sort of solution. When the 28-400 came out I immediately sold the 24-200 and the older 70-300, and bought the 28-400. I still have to think if I going to use it as my one lens hiking solution in the mountains, for the moment I enjoy it for birding. I am not sure if i would add it as a 3 lens solution for future use: 17-28, 24-120, 28-400, but that could be a possibility. I would love the 100-400 but find it expensive and heavy, and I am not sure how often I would use it.

my 2 cents.
Thanks. Yeah I've sort of ruled out the 28-400 as I don't think I'll need much beyond 200mm, however up to 200mm I would like to be prepared. I think at this point, I'm not going to buy anything, but rather I'll just rent a 24-200 (found it would be $100 for the time I need it, which is far cheaper than buying one for $800 at this point). My hope is that maybe in the future, TAmron will release their 28-300 for the Z with VC maybe, as I've heard some good things about the Sony version, although it may or may not necessarily be any better than the 24-200.

This way I don't need to really spend any money, I can bring the glass I already own, and if I need up to 200mm, I'll have it without spending much money, as I' also not ready to commit to another 24-200 but this might be a good more in-depth "test" again for the 24-200 and then I can maybe decide after the trip if I want to get another one or just wait or not bother (if I find I don't use it much). But at least I will have one without spending $800.

As for planning, yes I've been doing that, and watching some videos here and there on Portugal (the places I intend to visit at least) to get an idea of the layout and also areas I'm interested in visiting, so I can see what I might encounter, plus this also helps me plan hotel stays. So I never really plan around focal lengths but like to be prepared for most stuff though, particularly if they are places I'm not sure if/when I'll come back. (as i've learned from past experiences, sometimes you don't get a second chance.)
 
Full disclosure, out of the 3 lenses you mention, I only own the 24-200.

I have to say that the 24-200 was my choice as it seems the best compromise to me. I've NOT been disappointed in ANY of the photos I have taken with it. I'm sure the same can be said for the 24-120, but any lens at 400mm is going to suffer from atmospheric issues if you are shooting in a populated area unless temperatures are cold.

Congratulations on your upcoming trip! I'm envious, but happy for you :)
 
Full disclosure, out of the 3 lenses you mention, I only own the 24-200.

I have to say that the 24-200 was my choice as it seems the best compromise to me. I've NOT been disappointed in ANY of the photos I have taken with it. I'm sure the same can be said for the 24-120, but any lens at 400mm is going to suffer from atmospheric issues if you are shooting in a populated area unless temperatures are cold.

Congratulations on your upcoming trip! I'm envious, but happy for you :)
I would agree with the long end (Although the 24-120 seems to maintain most of its sharpness even out to 120mm (in fact I'd say it's weakest point is not 120 but rather 24mm which is usually the opposite on most zooms like these).

Although I think I may just rent a 24-200 for this trip (while still bringing my other 3 lenses) at least that way I have it. I was going through some photos that I've taken on other trips in the past, and did find that I tend to favor the telephoto ranges more (so let's say beyond 70mm) as I tend to like to grab more detailed or tighter shots (my least used range was probably more 30-70mm in honestly so the standard zoom range).

I'm looking at a few other potential options (one being trying to find a gently used 70-200 f/4 F-mount lens as I've sort of wanted one of those for landscape but would also work for travel too, and might fit in since I don't really shoot much in the middle focal range so a 14-30 and 70-200 and maybe my 40 or 50 (mainly for low-light) might be a good 3-lens combo with good IQ.
 
Last year I took a trip to Frankfort, Prague and a river cruise that ended in Vienna. Of the shots I kept, I used the 14-30 for 750 shots, the 24-70 for 875 shots and the 100-400 for about 80 shots. About 225 shots with the 24-70 were at 24mm and about 300 of the shots with the 14-30 were at 30mm; in many cases I carried only one lens and that many shots at the two extremes indicates that I could have used the wider lens pretty often and I could use the longer zoom more often. I was rarely over 100mm.

What I found in Europe is that there are some very wide photographic opportunities and also some narrow areas with close quarters. Ideally I'd take the 14-30 and the 24-120.
 
Last year I took a trip to Frankfort, Prague and a river cruise that ended in Vienna. Of the shots I kept, I used the 14-30 for 750 shots, the 24-70 for 875 shots and the 100-400 for about 80 shots. About 225 shots with the 24-70 were at 24mm and about 300 of the shots with the 14-30 were at 30mm; in many cases I carried only one lens and that many shots at the two extremes indicates that I could have used the wider lens pretty often and I could use the longer zoom more often. I was rarely over 100mm.
What I found in Europe is that there are some very wide photographic opportunities and also some narrow areas with close quarters. Ideally I'd take the 14-30 and the 24-120.
Agree with this wholeheartedly. Wide is better than long in the tight streets of old Europe, and frankly in general. Getting close to a subject enough for perspective effects to kick in offers interest that a midrange FL doesn't. Zooming all the way out is for wildlife and if you can't get close enough for a proper picture to begin with.
I will say that with a 24-200 you've covered the vast majority of your FL needs. The 24-120 is Nikon's famous one-lens walkaround solution: wide enough to be useful in tight quarters, long enough to make a good portrait from a respectful distance, fast enough to keep ISO in check, surprisingly good IQ for a 5:1 zoom ratio lens. I have 16-30 and 70-300 equivalents in my quiver, but they hardly get used if I have a wide-to-mid-tele lens with 24 on the bottom end.
 
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I think I may just rent a 24-200 for this trip (while still bringing my other 3 lenses) at least that way I have it. I was going through some photos that I've taken on other trips in the past, and did find that I tend to favor the telephoto ranges more (so let's say beyond 70mm) as I tend to like to grab more detailed or tighter shots (my least used range was probably more 30-70mm in honestly so the standard zoom range).
This seems a good compromise.

In the background there is distinctly more potential image resolution with Z lenses than with previous generation lenses.

This generally means a slightly lower performing Z mount lens is likely to have usefully more resolution than a previous equivalent F mount lens.
 
Keep it simple and enjoy your stay there, it is a very beautiful country.

I spent two weeks there on holiday, doing a small road trip (two to five days in each spot) between Porto, Peniche, Lisbon and the Algarve. I only had my D750 and a 35mm f/2 AF-D with me (and a Pol filter). It was a marvelous holiday, I have some pictures I enjoy and even more beautiful memories, which I sometime revive watching those photos.

Here are some impressions of that holiday (everything strait out of cam without any PP) :

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Yeah I'm sort of leaning towards a 24-200 (might just buy one) versus trying to use crop mode on the Z8 with the 24-120 (which is an option) mainly for the sake of lost resolution ,as I may need to crop further in post so I'd like to keep as many pixels as possible (on either camera).
Again, be careful of FOMO. The 24-120mm is going to give you 19mp at essentially 180mm crop, so exactly how big a print are you thinking you're going to do from a telephoto subject?
True and a valid point. But the other thing I am sort of on the fence about is carrying the Z8 all day or just using the Zf (which in crop mode is only 10MP or so, should I find the need for a 180mm equivalent).

I might go back and consider the 24-200 (although the $899 regular price now isn't that appealing, but i have time too, and if I do decide to get it again, hopefully it may go back on sale in the next few months). ON the other hand, I tend to remain undecided for long periods of time basically to a point where I don't do anything and just end up using what I have (which has worked for me, and against me, at times).

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Why not pick up a used 24-200? You’d get one for 5-600 dollars so you’re not risking too much
 

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