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Scottelly wrote:

Huh? Where do you get the idea that old Foveon sensors could do usable ISO 3200? ISO 1600 was usable (arguably), but not ISO 3200. For example, even the H sensor couldn't do a reasonable ISO 3200.

Hi Scott,

I had in mind in terms of "Foveon usefulness", so 1600 - 3200 for BW, where the grain (not blotches) could be and advantage. I really rarely used DP1 above ISO 400 in color, it almost always stayed at 50-100, because of this beautiful examples below Thank you for the pictures!

Here, take a look:

SDQH at ISO 3200

Nikon D810 at ISO 3200

• Only stills but Foveon colors and microcontrast!
• Small MP count around 24MP - it is more then enough for 90% of users which rarely prints more then A4 size or never (the rest already have good AI Re-scale tools for big printing)
• L-Mount lenses (new 1.4 16/23/35/56) retro design (vide Fujifilm)
• EVF
• Battery life: around 100 pics on one battery (3 in the box and we are good)
• In camera X3F / DNG to TIFF / JPG conversion
• X3F / DNG / TIFF / JPG picture formats (escpecially X3F & 16-bit TIFF write for pro's).
• Color Simulations (nice to have, it could be strong marketing value for beginners).
• 1500$ for body & 1 lens

Just keep waiting and use other brands until it happens!

Best regards,

Ulvervs

I don't know if an all metal retro design is necessary. Canon's R mount cameras are not retro designs, and they seem to be selling just fine. Fuji makes retro designs, but that doesn't necessarily mean they HAVE to do that to sell their cameras. I wouldn't mind a retro design, but I'm happy with the SD Quattro design too (except I would like to see it improved with an articulating tilt screen if they ever make an L mount version of it . . . and I would like to see it work faster - no doubt that would be quite possible these days, with modern processors).

Yes, you've got a point! They could easy sell new cams in SDQ or FP design, but retro is and will be having still for a longer time an advantage in terms of associations in mind of general clients, which sees retro style as more durable, classic, universal and more valuable the same as we see mechanical watches.

Sigma should exploit that, it's an opportunity, but also useful and verified design style, which highers their chance for "success".

What I'd really like to see from Sigma in L mount is something with a bigger, better viewfinder, but with almost zero blackout, similar to my old Sony A65. My SD Quattro H has horrendous blackout, which is so bad that it's unusable for most sports and even some wildlife shooting. I just use my Nikon D810 instead for stuff like that (though now I can't, because I sold my 200-400mm f4 VR lens to buy my Fuji GFX100).

Bigger & better viewfinder could be a problem for Sigma, it would impact the size of the body, mainly because of GPU and additional memmory and heatsink needs... a lot of things is dependant in this topic. It's much more possible that you could see it in the medium format Foveon camera then in DP/SD line (like H6D) where the size is not the main issue

Best regards,

Ulvervs