Nikon's NX Studio vs DXO Photolab

Is there anyone here who has used both programs?
I used Capture NX-D (the predecessor to NX Studio) for my Nikon 1 cameras before moving to PhotoLab. NX-D wasn't bad at all, but the differences that mattered to me are the lens profiles and noise reduction provided in PhotoLab. They made a noticeable improvement in what I can get out of the 1" sensor files.
Am I missing out by not using DXO? I understand DXO has some of the best noise reduction features in the biz, but unfortunately I have not really had an opportunity to use much NR in NX Studio as I have not tried to edit many noisy photos.
If noise reduction isn't a priority, you probably aren't missing much other than possibly better lens profiles. It looks like all your lenses in combination with the Z50 are supported:

https://www.dxo.com/supported-cameras/

But your gear list says you also have a Sony RX100 V, which could benefit. What software are you using for that?
I rarely use that camera for anything that matters to me- I just don't like it but I purchased it because of it's small size. It's been more than 6 months since I have edited any photos from this camera, but I believe I used Affinity (trial) as well as GIMP- which did not seem intuitive to me.

@sybersitizen I believe you have pretty much answered my question. I just feel like I'm "missing out" by not owning DXO. I've barely scratched the surface of what NX Studio can do, but I remember really liking DXO. I will see if I can get a free trial to work again.

I have never in my life heard a professional photographer say that he/she uses Nikon software as their primary editing tool, however it may be because Photoshop or Lightroom are better options for managing workflow in large volumes.

*EDIT: Another user stated that DXO is superior for local edits (though I have never used control points) and we know it's better for NR. I was actually able to download DXO PL 6 and activate a 31 day trial, so I am very pleased!!! What I will do is find a couple noisy photos and post the edits.

*It looks like DXO also has presets, which I was not aware of.
 
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Is there anyone here who has used both programs?
I used Capture NX-D (the predecessor to NX Studio) for my Nikon 1 cameras before moving to PhotoLab. NX-D wasn't bad at all, but the differences that mattered to me are the lens profiles and noise reduction provided in PhotoLab. They made a noticeable improvement in what I can get out of the 1" sensor files.
Am I missing out by not using DXO? I understand DXO has some of the best noise reduction features in the biz, but unfortunately I have not really had an opportunity to use much NR in NX Studio as I have not tried to edit many noisy photos.
If noise reduction isn't a priority, you probably aren't missing much other than possibly better lens profiles. It looks like all your lenses in combination with the Z50 are supported:

https://www.dxo.com/supported-cameras/

But your gear list says you also have a Sony RX100 V, which could benefit. What software are you using for that?
I rarely use that camera for anything that matters to me- I just don't like it but I purchased it because of it's small size. It's been more than 6 months since I have edited any photos from this camera, but I believe I used Affinity (trial) as well as GIMP- which did not seem intuitive to me.

@sybersitizen I believe you have pretty much answered my question. I just feel like I'm "missing out" by not owning DXO. I've barely scratched the surface of what NX Studio can do, but I remember really liking DXO. I will see if I can get a free trial to work again.

I have never in my life heard a professional photographer say that he/she uses Nikon software as their primary editing tool, however it may be because Photoshop or Lightroom are better options for managing workflow in large volumes.

*EDIT: Another user stated that DXO is superior for local edits (though I have never used control points) and we know it's better for NR. I was actually able to download DXO PL 6 and activate a 31 day trial, so I am very pleased!!! What I will do is find a couple noisy photos and post the edits.

*It looks like DXO also has presets, which I was not aware of.
Yes, it's always had them. It comes with a collection of them, plus you can make your own.

In particular, once you get used to it, you can choose what you'd like as your default settings, and save that collection of settings as a preset which you can have it apply automatically to new images. So, when you open an image for the first time, it will already have had your preferred settings applied to it. You may need to do very little more to it.
 
I didn't think that I would be able to do this. These trials seem to embed themselves in the registry and never allow you download it again, but maybe the new version may work.
You can trial each version once.
 
I didn't think that I would be able to do this. These trials seem to embed themselves in the registry and never allow you download it again, but maybe the new version may work.
You can trial each version once.
I hadn't thought about it, but if you (DxO) are wanting to sell software it would be foolish to do otherwise and limit the trial to just one version.
 
I am a hobbyist photographer- I do this only for fun, and I don't have a high volume of photos that require editing. I'm currently in bed with the Nikon mirrorless ecosystem. I use software to edit and then convert RAW (NEF) to JPEG.

I downloaded DXO Photolab 5 about 1year ago- it was just before Photolab 6 came out. I used the trial and it expired. I did not use the software all that much before it ran out. I tried the trials for many different paid programs, but I definitely liked PL5 the best, well loved it actually.

I was undecided which program I wanted to use, but ended up downloading free Nikon NX studio. I have found this to be a very capable software and have become very efficient at using it for global edits (WB, exposure, contrast, saturation, sharpness), but have not learned how to alter local or very specific areas of a photo. I have found it very good for recovering shadows as well as highlights, as well as lens corrections ( I of course have Nikon lenses).

Is there anyone here who has used both programs? Am I missing out by not using DXO?
In a word yes.

Do what Digital Nigel recommended.

NX Studio has one huge advantage and one huge disadvantage.
  • Advantage: It really is Nikon's EXPEED processor on your computer.
  • Disadvantage: It really is Nikon's EXPEED processor on your computer.
NX Studio will allow your to recreate the output image from the camera. It's fair to say you can use it to get an SOOC image. For some Nikon users this is a big deal.

What Nikon didn't do with NX Studio (they could have) is address the compromises that are forced by in-camera processing software. The engineers who design our cameras work with a gun to their head as it were. They are under constant threat that you will press down the shutter release and hold it down. At that point the processing software has to keep up with the camera's top frame rate and to do that the engineers have no choice but to compromise the IQ result (amazing that they do as well as they do -- bravo to them).

You note noise filtering -- perfect example as noise filtering is processor intensive. To do a p*ss poor job of noise filtering in camera the software would have to force the top frame rate to drop by 90% or more. So you're not going to get p*ss poor noise filtering out of the camera, you're going to get worse and that goes for NX Studio.

NX Studio does provide some limited local adjustment functions but they are as a whole very limited compared with what you'll get from a top-tier raw processor.

You've already found yourself attracted to one of the very best of those top-tier raw processors so it seems like an easy decision moving forward.

We're all waiting with anticipation for the soon-to-be-released PL-7. I'll be upgrading as soon as it arrives, recommend you get in line.
I understand DXO has some of the best noise reduction features in the biz, but unfortunately I have not really had an opportunity to use much NR in NX Studio as I have not tried to edit many noisy photos. It is really unfortunate that my trial for DXO Photolab has expired. Now that I am somewhat proficient at NX Studio I can't use DXO and compare it. I don't mind spending the $220 for the software unless there is an advantage to my purchase of it. I find myself thinking of it often as I use NX Studio.
Have you ever used the control points?
In NX Studio? Yes, certainly. To appreciate how very limited NX Studio is compare that same function (Control Point) with PL-6.
I don't have PL 6. But do appreciate the control points in NX-Studio. Probably license restrictions for Nikon to enhance the control points. They were sold to DXO.
Where did this technology originate? I see that Nik Viveza goes back to at least 2008/9 — was that when it was invented?

https://www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-of-nik-viveza-for-photo-adjustment/

Did Nikon license it from Viveza, or did it actually invent the idea (was Nik a Nikon spin-off?)?
I see DXO calls it u-points.
I think they were already called that before DxO bought Nik from Google.
NIK Viveza is the original. I had it back then for Photoshop. Nik sold it to DXO and licensed Nikon for the control point technology, Nikon was earlier then DXO to use these control points. It was allready available in older pro versions wich you could buy from Nikon. It was called Nikon Capture NX 2...

Yes Nik allready called them upoints...since they sold it to DXO, Nikon is not allowed to call them upoints hence the name control points.

I still have Viveza 2 etc in Photoshop extended cs6.
You've forgotten Google, which bought Nik in 2012.:

https://techcrunch.com/2012/09/17/g...e-popular-snapseed-photo-editing-app-for-ios/

Having changed strategy, it was all set to abandon the Viveza technology when DxO stepped in and bought it in 2017, probably at a low price.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/25/dxo-buys-the-nik-collection-photography/

DxO re-implemented the control point technology to create the Local Adjustments feature that turned DxO Optics Pro into PhotoLab. Over the last six years(!) it's been rewriting the rest of Nik, to move it all to the DxO platform, which is now complete. So I expect we'll see more Nik features appearing in PhotoLab and FilmPack and vice versa.

It seems that Capture NX2 was licensed from Viveza. Once Google bought it, Nikon licensed the replacement NX-D from Silkypix.

https://nikonrumors.com/2014/03/24/yes-the-new-nikon-nx-d-software-is-made-by-silkypix.aspx/
As far as I know, Silkypix didn't have the upoint technology. It just continued the development of the software.
 
Is there anyone here who has used both programs?
I used Capture NX-D (the predecessor to NX Studio) for my Nikon 1 cameras before moving to PhotoLab. NX-D wasn't bad at all, but the differences that mattered to me are the lens profiles and noise reduction provided in PhotoLab. They made a noticeable improvement in what I can get out of the 1" sensor files.
Am I missing out by not using DXO? I understand DXO has some of the best noise reduction features in the biz, but unfortunately I have not really had an opportunity to use much NR in NX Studio as I have not tried to edit many noisy photos.
If noise reduction isn't a priority, you probably aren't missing much other than possibly better lens profiles. It looks like all your lenses in combination with the Z50 are supported:

https://www.dxo.com/supported-cameras/

But your gear list says you also have a Sony RX100 V, which could benefit. What software are you using for that?
I rarely use that camera for anything that matters to me- I just don't like it but I purchased it because of it's small size. It's been more than 6 months since I have edited any photos from this camera, but I believe I used Affinity (trial) as well as GIMP- which did not seem intuitive to me.

@sybersitizen I believe you have pretty much answered my question. I just feel like I'm "missing out" by not owning DXO. I've barely scratched the surface of what NX Studio can do, but I remember really liking DXO. I will see if I can get a free trial to work again.

I have never in my life heard a professional photographer say that he/she uses Nikon software as their primary editing tool, however it may be because Photoshop or Lightroom are better options for managing workflow in large volumes.

*EDIT: Another user stated that DXO is superior for local edits (though I have never used control points) and we know it's better for NR. I was actually able to download DXO PL 6 and activate a 31 day trial, so I am very pleased!!! What I will do is find a couple noisy photos and post the edits.

*It looks like DXO also has presets, which I was not aware of.
Just use what you like...

Whitepoint conversion is better in Nikon software, there are examples on the web. NX-D vs Photoshop profiles. However, you can get the same results with any other editor, just a little more work.

Simply put: Nikon knows exactly how to convert, any other raw converter uses a guestimate.
 
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Is there anyone here who has used both programs?
I used Capture NX-D (the predecessor to NX Studio) for my Nikon 1 cameras before moving to PhotoLab. NX-D wasn't bad at all, but the differences that mattered to me are the lens profiles and noise reduction provided in PhotoLab. They made a noticeable improvement in what I can get out of the 1" sensor files.
Am I missing out by not using DXO? I understand DXO has some of the best noise reduction features in the biz, but unfortunately I have not really had an opportunity to use much NR in NX Studio as I have not tried to edit many noisy photos.
If noise reduction isn't a priority, you probably aren't missing much other than possibly better lens profiles. It looks like all your lenses in combination with the Z50 are supported:

https://www.dxo.com/supported-cameras/

But your gear list says you also have a Sony RX100 V, which could benefit. What software are you using for that?
I rarely use that camera for anything that matters to me- I just don't like it but I purchased it because of it's small size. It's been more than 6 months since I have edited any photos from this camera, but I believe I used Affinity (trial) as well as GIMP- which did not seem intuitive to me.

@sybersitizen I believe you have pretty much answered my question. I just feel like I'm "missing out" by not owning DXO. I've barely scratched the surface of what NX Studio can do, but I remember really liking DXO. I will see if I can get a free trial to work again.

I have never in my life heard a professional photographer say that he/she uses Nikon software as their primary editing tool, however it may be because Photoshop or Lightroom are better options for managing workflow in large volumes.

*EDIT: Another user stated that DXO is superior for local edits (though I have never used control points) and we know it's better for NR. I was actually able to download DXO PL 6 and activate a 31 day trial, so I am very pleased!!! What I will do is find a couple noisy photos and post the edits.
Here's an example of what PL-6 can do applying local edits. It's an extreme example where it's now possible to use the full DR capacity of our modern cameras, along with software designed to take full advantage, to take photos that simply were not previously possible. A photo like the image here processed through PL-6 remains impossible for the camera software to manage and likewise NX-Studio.

CAVEAT: The camera could do better but nowhere near enough. I made no effort with the camera JPEG.

The version processed through PL-6 uses 5 separate local adjustment masks. A point important to me is that PL-6 is wholly capable of handling the processing job -- no other editor required.

e60d4441ca04436fbe35b341cc24c379.jpg

*It looks like DXO also has presets, which I was not aware of.
 
I didn't think that I would be able to do this. These trials seem to embed themselves in the registry and never allow you download it again, but maybe the new version may work.
Iobit removal wil remove most junk during uninstallation of the trial version. The pro version can delete everything installed during installation.

So, after removing with iobit uninstaller you should be able to re-install the correct version.
 
I used NX Studio and then switched to PhotoLab 6, now 7.

I loved NX Studio, but found limitations that were decisive in favor PL7.

My likes and dislikes for NX Studio vs. PhotoLab 7:

1. Smooth, useful interface for reviewing images in NX-studio. Easy comparisons, many ease-of-use touches that add up. PL7 a little more awkward to use, switching magnification, comparing images, etc.

2. Nice integration with camera in NX Studio - similarity of menu system etc. PL7, however, also works pretty well, excepting the complete omission of D-Lighting. Offsetting this, PL-7's own Smart Lighting (local tonal adjustments to adjust to high dynamic range, like D Lighting except for the in-camera Active D-Lighting) and PL7's ClearView+ Lighting (haze reduction and more) have proven much more useful to me in practice than NX Studio's functions. I could write lots of text on this but you just have to use PL7 for a while and push its limits to see what I mean.

To me, this is a major advantage of DxO and gives it an edge in extracting the greatest benefit of editing in RAW. Frequently, I find it difficult to manually make a series of individual adjustments that can equal the results of these lighting tools. I use the tools and then tinker with the sub-adjustments to tune the results to taste. Big time saver, and better image editing.

3. I can use either NX Studio or PL7 to edit .NEF raw files and leave them in the .NEF format. (Not so true of other non-Nikon-native image editors.) Further, by using PL7 I don't have to import them into a separate disk-eating image data base like LightRoom's.

The difference also comes in transferring the .NEF image into an editable format for Adobe Photoshop when necessary for serious image editing . With NX Studio I can use Adobe's separate conversion program to make a .DNG or whatever. It's a step easier with PL7, where I just export into a .DNG file in the same manner as creating a .JPG, and then the .DNG is there for Adobe. I have Just .NEF and .JPG files for the vast majority of my images, and a few .DNG's on the side.

Finally, I prefer having my image files in the native Windows file structure, which I can do with either NX Studio or PL7. Besides the disk savings (vs. LR), I like having it in non-proprietary format, and have many ways to back up and share with others. The sorting/searching functions in NX Studio are easy to use and meet my needs. PL7's are well thought out and more comprehensive.

4. NX Studio has very good sharpening tools, and I'm not sure PL7 has any big advantage over Nikon in knowing the optical profile of Nikon's own lenses, despite DxO's big lens data base. NX Studio's on-screen rendering of sharpness adjustments is also better than PL7, especially if you magnify the image; PL7's rendering has pixelated edges at high magnification and the final sharpness doesn't seem to come through until .jpg conversion, just like de-noising.

You can do more than just in-camera noise reduction with NX Studio. In post it does work OK, but PL7 goes much, visibly further. Some express caution with the possible loss of image detail with aggressive de-noising programs like those in PL7. So I carefully compared PL7's four de-noising intensity options with 6 raw images. I used the default 40% luminance setting suggested by DxO as a good compromise between de-noise intensity and loss of image detail from the "smoothing' caused by de-noising. In all cases, the de-noised images both had less noise and also retained all detail, even the most aggressive PL7 de-noising mode. It really does work well, though I won't be surprised if I find out over time that the luminance setting has to be adjusted now and then.

Finally, PL7 has a marvelous "microcontrast" adjustment that is, in effect, another sharpening tool. It can bring out a great amount of fine detail in images that may contain good resolution, but still appear "soft". This tool often seems to do "sharpening" better than the sharpening tools, with no visible artifacts. I use it frequently.

5. I think I like NX Studio's HSL graphic color-adjustment tool a bit better than PL7's color-wheel; I find it easier to get the exact color and shading I want. But the color-wheel approach is also useful in various situations and is intuitive. Hard to say either one is "best" for all specific situations.

Both NX Studio and PL7 have licensed the so-called "U-point" technology for making local as opposed to global adjustments to color,contrast, etc. etc. NX Studio included some HSL color local-adjustment options sooner than PL7, which just added it. I like U-point for local masking and adjustment a lot in both PL7 and NX Studio. It's fast and efficient to apply compared to other approaches in many (if not all) masking and local adjustment situations.

One of the reasons I first looked at PL7 as an alternative to NX Studio was that it also had U-point (a circular or "radial" mask) but had extended U-point into a linear "control line" and graduated intensity versions. This is a big topic to adequately describe, but my conclusion was PL7 has a lot to offer in terms of masking and local adjustment options that NX Studio does not. PL7's are among the best, and I really like the various versions of the U-point model.

I'll cut off this lengthy post with the summary comment that I like both PL7 and NX Studio as excellent programs for being excellent "raw converters" that prioritize getting the most out of RAW files, as opposed to managing huge professional image data bases (like Lightroom) or having the biggest selection of image-editing features (like PhotoShop). NX Studio's interface is refined, efficient and in some ways minimalist. PL7's is more complicated and a little less elegant but contains a lot more power. The PL7 edge is not just added editing features (although they are there, especially if you look at their add-on programs.) It includes lighting, sharpening, and local adjustment tools that go further in optimizing RAW files and also tries to make many of those adjustments efficient to implement, even as relatively complex pre-sets that can be applied to groups of images.
 
I used NX Studio and then switched to PhotoLab 6, now 7.

I loved NX Studio, but found limitations that were decisive in favor PL7.

My likes and dislikes for NX Studio vs. PhotoLab 7:

1. Smooth, useful interface for reviewing images in NX-studio. Easy comparisons, many ease-of-use touches that add up. PL7 a little more awkward to use, switching magnification, comparing images, etc.

2. Nice integration with camera in NX Studio - similarity of menu system etc. PL7, however, also works pretty well, excepting the complete omission of D-Lighting. Offsetting this, PL-7's own Smart Lighting (local tonal adjustments to adjust to high dynamic range, like D Lighting except for the in-camera Active D-Lighting) and PL7's ClearView+ Lighting (haze reduction and more) have proven much more useful to me in practice than NX Studio's functions. I could write lots of text on this but you just have to use PL7 for a while and push its limits to see what I mean.

To me, this is a major advantage of DxO and gives it an edge in extracting the greatest benefit of editing in RAW. Frequently, I find it difficult to manually make a series of individual adjustments that can equal the results of these lighting tools. I use the tools and then tinker with the sub-adjustments to tune the results to taste. Big time saver, and better image editing.

3. I can use either NX Studio or PL7 to edit .NEF raw files and leave them in the .NEF format. (Not so true of other non-Nikon-native image editors.) Further, by using PL7 I don't have to import them into a separate disk-eating image data base like LightRoom's.

The difference also comes in transferring the .NEF image into an editable format for Adobe Photoshop when necessary for serious image editing . With NX Studio I can use Adobe's separate conversion program to make a .DNG or whatever. It's a step easier with PL7, where I just export into a .DNG file in the same manner as creating a .JPG, and then the .DNG is there for Adobe. I have Just .NEF and .JPG files for the vast majority of my images, and a few .DNG's on the side.

Finally, I prefer having my image files in the native Windows file structure, which I can do with either NX Studio or PL7. Besides the disk savings (vs. LR), I like having it in non-proprietary format, and have many ways to back up and share with others. The sorting/searching functions in NX Studio are easy to use and meet my needs. PL7's are well thought out and more comprehensive.

4. NX Studio has very good sharpening tools, and I'm not sure PL7 has any big advantage over Nikon in knowing the optical profile of Nikon's own lenses, despite DxO's big lens data base. NX Studio's on-screen rendering of sharpness adjustments is also better than PL7, especially if you magnify the image; PL7's rendering has pixelated edges at high magnification and the final sharpness doesn't seem to come through until .jpg conversion, just like de-noising.

You can do more than just in-camera noise reduction with NX Studio. In post it does work OK, but PL7 goes much, visibly further. Some express caution with the possible loss of image detail with aggressive de-noising programs like those in PL7. So I carefully compared PL7's four de-noising intensity options with 6 raw images. I used the default 40% luminance setting suggested by DxO as a good compromise between de-noise intensity and loss of image detail from the "smoothing' caused by de-noising. In all cases, the de-noised images both had less noise and also retained all detail, even the most aggressive PL7 de-noising mode. It really does work well, though I won't be surprised if I find out over time that the luminance setting has to be adjusted now and then.

Finally, PL7 has a marvelous "microcontrast" adjustment that is, in effect, another sharpening tool. It can bring out a great amount of fine detail in images that may contain good resolution, but still appear "soft". This tool often seems to do "sharpening" better than the sharpening tools, with no visible artifacts. I use it frequently.

5. I think I like NX Studio's HSL graphic color-adjustment tool a bit better than PL7's color-wheel; I find it easier to get the exact color and shading I want. But the color-wheel approach is also useful in various situations and is intuitive. Hard to say either one is "best" for all specific situations.

Both NX Studio and PL7 have licensed the so-called "U-point" technology for making local as opposed to global adjustments to color,contrast, etc. etc. NX Studio included some HSL color local-adjustment options sooner than PL7, which just added it. I like U-point for local masking and adjustment a lot in both PL7 and NX Studio. It's fast and efficient to apply compared to other approaches in many (if not all) masking and local adjustment situations.

One of the reasons I first looked at PL7 as an alternative to NX Studio was that it also had U-point (a circular or "radial" mask) but had extended U-point into a linear "control line" and graduated intensity versions. This is a big topic to adequately describe, but my conclusion was PL7 has a lot to offer in terms of masking and local adjustment options that NX Studio does not. PL7's are among the best, and I really like the various versions of the U-point model.

I'll cut off this lengthy post with the summary comment that I like both PL7 and NX Studio as excellent programs for being excellent "raw converters" that prioritize getting the most out of RAW files, as opposed to managing huge professional image data bases (like Lightroom) or having the biggest selection of image-editing features (like PhotoShop). NX Studio's interface is refined, efficient and in some ways minimalist. PL7's is more complicated and a little less elegant but contains a lot more power. The PL7 edge is not just added editing features (although they are there, especially if you look at their add-on programs.) It includes lighting, sharpening, and local adjustment tools that go further in optimizing RAW files and also tries to make many of those adjustments efficient to implement, even as relatively complex pre-sets that can be applied to groups of images.
Thank you for taking the time for this thoughtful response. I did finally purchase PL7 during their Cyber Monday deal. I have not used it enough to become super familiar with the program, but I am very impressed with the noise reduction abilities. I find the most aggressive denoising -"Deep Prime" I think it's called will cause some loss of detail so I will often use the one tier below that.

The other features I use which are basically temperature, exposure, and color grading seem to perform pretty similar. I know PL is the more powerful of the two tools. What I really have to learn is the the local editing, which I am at this time not very knowledgeable of. To be fair, NX Studio really took care of most of my needs, but this was on sale so I just jumped on it.
 
Thank you for taking the time for this thoughtful response. I did finally purchase PL7 during their Cyber Monday deal. I have not used it enough to become super familiar with the program, but I am very impressed with the noise reduction abilities. I find the most aggressive denoising -"Deep Prime" I think it's called will cause some loss of detail so I will often use the one tier below that.
There are four types of NR in PhotoLab.
  • HQ is conventional NR, similar to that found in most photo editors. Its main advantage is that it's very fast, but it's not suitable for noisy images. It's been included in all versions of PhotoLab and DxO Optics Pro before it from the beginning.
  • PRIME came along about a decade ago. It's CPU intensive, but produces better results than HQ on noisy images. It's suitable for older machines without a modern GPU. It's now regarded as a legacy feature, and little used. I suggest you ignore it.
  • DeepPRIME was introduced in PhotoLab 4, three years ago. It's AI-based and makes heavy use of the GPU. Results are much better than PRIME, and it's suitable for use on all images. But it's slow if you don't have a supported GPU.
  • DeepPRIME XD was introduced last year, in PhotoLab 6. The XD stands for eXtra Detail, and it's suitable for the noisiest images. It needs a modern, fast GPU, or is very slow. It has an amazing ability to eliminate noise while recovering details in really high ISO images, but sometimes can be fooled into finding false details (aka artefacts). So an extra Noise model slider was added to let you balance details vs artefacts. I think the default value is too high, so I turn it down, as I'd rather have less detail and no artefacts. Most people only use this tool on very noisy images, and if your GPU is more than three years old, you might find it very slow.
The other features I use which are basically temperature, exposure, and color grading seem to perform pretty similar. I know PL is the more powerful of the two tools. What I really have to learn is the the local editing, which I am at this time not very knowledgeable of. To be fair, NX Studio really took care of most of my needs, but this was on sale so I just jumped on it.
If you also bought FilmPack 7, you get access to a very powerful new local adjustments tool, the luminosity mask. This gives you much more precise recovery of highlights and shadows than the not-very Selective tone controls. Control lines are also very useful.
 
I hope this isn't a hijack, but I'm thinking OP will be interested in this conversation as well. I wanted to run my situation by Digital Nigel as he certainly seems to know this subject well.

I just bought DXO PL7+Filmpack 7 after using NX Studio for the last couple months (I'm a new Z8 user). I was expecting to have PL completely blow me away given how good NX Studio results are and the fact that everyone seems to claim DXO is hands-down better for noise and sharpness.

I took some pics yesterday indoors and had to use a higher ISO (3600). I was using the 24-70 2.8 S and shot raw and I have the downloaded optical plug-ins for DXO for the camera and the lens.

But the results actually look the opposite of what I'd expect.

NX Studio, noise reduction off

NX Studio, noise reduction off





Photolab 7, denoising technologies turned off

Photolab 7, denoising technologies turned off



 NX Studio, default noise reduction box checked

NX Studio, default noise reduction box checked



Photolab 7, DeepPRIME XD enabled (default settings)

Photolab 7, DeepPRIME XD enabled (default settings)



I see much more color noise in the PL versions and I also see a harsher white line on the transition between skin and the dark background (e.g. on the bridge of her nose).

Now to be clear, I have only spent about 15 minutes playing with PL so I certainly don't claim to know how to use it. But first impressions left me wondering - does the non-Nikon processing engine start so much behind the NX studio one that even with the advanced technologies it can't compete? With both programs claiming to have noise reduction off, there is a dramatic difference in the noise seen on screen. Surely that's not the case based on other user comments but where am I going so wrong with the default settings?



The other thing that occurred to me was that Nigel made a comment above which made it sound like PL might not necessarily show you "the real deal" in the editor and that you might have to do an actual export first to see the real quality. I may have misunderstood that comment, but if that is the case it begs the question of how you are supposed to use this thing efficiently. I.e. if you can't really see the quality resulting from changes you are making without doing a full image export, that's really going to slow down the editing process.
 
Try a different image - one with some detail - and try DeepPRIME rather than XD.

Make sure to export the file from PhotoLab, not just grab a screen shot. Screen shots don't show the noise reduction.
 
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Try a different image - one with some detail - and try DeepPRIME rather than XD.

Make sure to export the file from PhotoLab, not just grab a screen shot. Screen shots don't show the noise reduction.
Yes, and some other adjustments only show at something like 85% (?) or more. So it's definitely best to evaluate an exported image.
 
Screen shots don't show the noise reduction.
But that's not strictly true because I see the image changing, significantly, as I turn denoising on and off. So clearly the editor shows "something" though it may not be accurate. One might argue this is just a preview, but I'd counter when it comes to image editing, what good is a preview if it is not representative? I will try an export, but if this is the situation that's a significant deficiency in the software. Having to use a feature blind and not knowing what you are getting until you actually export is cumbersome at best.

I now notice (thanks to atta-boy's comment above) the second small preview window in the denoise feature shows a different rendition than the main preview window. So that is helpful at least. This certainly improves the color noise though the halo line on the light/dark border still seems more obvious, and less desirable, than what NX Studio is showing.

In any case, I'll start working through the tutorials and see what I can come up with. I'm sure it's a learning curve to get back to where I was in NX Studio.
 
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Screen shots don't show the noise reduction.
But that's not strictly true because I see the image changing, significantly, as I turn denoising on and off. So clearly the editor shows "something" though it may not be accurate. One might argue this is just a preview, but I'd counter when it comes to image editing, what good is a preview if it is not representative?
You're only seeing the misleadingly named 'High Quality' version of NR there (I don't know who would choose to use that unless they're working on non-RAW images). That can happen because it's a fast and simple operation.

The preview for the PRIME versions is only a tiny window. That's because treating the whole area seen in the working space can take a long time.
I will try an export, but if this is the situation that's a significant deficiency in the software. Having to use a feature blind and not knowing what you are getting until you actually export is cumbersome at best.
Waiting for the whole area to show the true NR results could also be cumbersome.

Once you're familiar with what DeepPRIME and XD do, there's no reason to see anything other than the tiny window, at least for me. In fact, I rarely even look at that anymore. I turn them on and that's it.
 
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That makes sense, thanks.

Do you have any thoughts on the "baseline" disparity between NX Studio and PL when both allegedly have their NR turned off? The NX Studio version appears so much less noisy it makes it seem like either NX Studio has some basic NR which can never be turned off, or, PL is missing something in their raw decoding that is creating a much noisier starting image. The thought behind why I'm asking is if the PL algorithms are superior it would be nice to apply them to a cleaner baseline to produce an even better result.



NX Studio left, PL7 right. Both have noise reduction disabled. Full exports to 16-bit TIFF, displayed at 100%

NX Studio left, PL7 right. Both have noise reduction disabled. Full exports to 16-bit TIFF, displayed at 100%
 
That makes sense, thanks.

Do you have any thoughts on the "baseline" disparity between NX Studio and PL when both allegedly have their NR turned off? The NX Studio version appears so much less noisy it makes it seem like either NX Studio has some basic NR which can never be turned off,
Could be. I dunno.
or, PL is missing something in their raw decoding that is creating a much noisier starting image.
Every converter does different things with RAW files. With my cameras, PhotoLab seems to apply some sharpening to them even with the 'No correction' preset. Or maybe it's due to DxO's demosaicing algorithm. (I don't regard it as a bad thing as long as I like the results.)
The thought behind why I'm asking is if the PL algorithms are superior it would be nice to apply them to a cleaner baseline to produce an even better result.

NX Studio left, PL7 right. Both have noise reduction disabled. Full exports to 16-bit TIFF, displayed at 100%

NX Studio left, PL7 right. Both have noise reduction disabled. Full exports to 16-bit TIFF, displayed at 100%
That's a big difference, and I'd say the PhotoLab version has had sharpening applied. What camera is it? What ISO?
 
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That's a big difference, and I'd say the PhotoLab version has had sharpening applied. What camera is it? What ISO?
Z8, ISO 3600, 24-70 2.8 Z lens

I thought the difference was pretty dramatic as well. I thought I had every correction except for white balance turned off in PL for that image. But when searching now for "sharp" I do see a "Lens Softness correction" section that was not shown in the basic list but was enabled. Turning that off the image gets softer, but still has the rainbow pixels throughout. I.e. still much more color noise than I see in NX Studio. Here is a side-by-side, both from PL, with that lens softness on and off. You can see it definitely was sharpened, but in terms of the color noise it seems pretty consistent in both.



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PL7 for both. Left is "Lens Softness correction" turned off, right is on with default settings. Nikon Z8, Z 24-70 2.8 S lens, ISO 3600
 

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I do see a "Lens Softness correction" section that was not shown in the basic list but was enabled. Turning that off the image gets softer, but still has the rainbow pixels throughout. I.e. still much more color noise than I see in NX Studio.
All I can suggest is to try whatever other RAW converters you might have on hand and see which one of these is least like the others.
 

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