Wishlist for 2024 ff for a high res medium format killer from Sony

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The have been plenty of rumors for years now about high res Canon and Sony sensors. With the given pixel density on Smartphones and incredible image quality at low ISO on these devices the question arises when will we see the high end FF Sony Sensor and what festers will the camera have.

The Alpha One is so close to the A7r IV and V that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would need both in a camera lineup except for a bit of savings on the cheaper A7R IV.

50 or 60 MP are basically the same and the AF on even my trusty A7R IV is lighting fast e.g. with the outstanding 70 .. 200 f/2.0 Macro - I have been able to shoot in very dim situations with amazing acquisition speed at ISO 6400 without a single missed shot. In other words AF has become really reliable and the A7R V is even better let alone the Alpha One.

the only thing remaining is medium format pixel count in a half weight and 2/3 size package with a much better lens availability.

What would you like to see in a high res medium format killer and what would you be willing to pay for a smaller and higher GFX 100 II that#äs retailing for just $ 7500 - I guess the Alpha One R would be a bit more affordable and even in case it would have the same price I already own the lenses that easily manage 100 MP

What are your thoughts?

( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔
 
actually i only just bought a beautiful hi precision ball head + tripod 2 weeks ago for my studio. its awesome , ive always used tilt and pan heads but my new tripod and head is so much better and more accurate going from landscape to portrait shooting, its silky smooth at panning with camera locked which none of my other tripods have ever been.
Of all my photographic purchases, the one that was the most satisfying was my Foba camera stand. If you've not used one, you're in for a treat.
 
Good photographers don't allow their raw data to clip except for highlights -- usually specular -- that they deem unimportant.

In my photography, it's not important how to save overexposed images, and I don't test for that. At that point, it's about the algorithms, not the camera; you're making up colors.
as a portrait photographer shooting out in the sun its very important for me to be able to recover dark or blown out skin tones, even in the studio i need to recover skin hot spots when make-up becomes shinny and the models sweet . i was very surprised how well the a74 help up in His direct test shots especially in the pink tones. MF is less on my radar now as im always looking at the next best toy for my studio.
I consider specularity management to be one of the most important parts of studio photography. If you do that right, you won't need to have the raw developer invent colors.
 
Hi Jim - just wanting to say "hello" and great to see you dropping by the Sony forum again. I still remember the times you were a "constant force" here, learned so much from you!

Alle the best !!!
Thanks so much!

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Hear! Hear!
Jim, not only do you run the most interesting technical blog on the world wide web, your insights into the art of photography and anecdotes from your life with a camera is also hugely inspiring.
 
actually i only just bought a beautiful hi precision ball head + tripod 2 weeks ago for my studio. its awesome , ive always used tilt and pan heads but my new tripod and head is so much better and more accurate going from landscape to portrait shooting, its silky smooth at panning with camera locked which none of my other tripods have ever been.
Of all my photographic purchases, the one that was the most satisfying was my Foba camera stand. If you've not used one, you're in for a treat.
If i was shooting primes i would not hesitate in buying one. but with the release of the latest Tamron g2 28 75 and 70 180 zooms i sold my primes and and now have the luxury of first class image quality and shoot from a fixed position. I tried all the contraptions that fit to the bottom on my tripods and they were so cumbersome. 1 question Jim, do those stands have roller ball wheels that move in any direction not like caster wheels ?
 
actually i only just bought a beautiful hi precision ball head + tripod 2 weeks ago for my studio. its awesome , ive always used tilt and pan heads but my new tripod and head is so much better and more accurate going from landscape to portrait shooting, its silky smooth at panning with camera locked which none of my other tripods have ever been.
Of all my photographic purchases, the one that was the most satisfying was my Foba camera stand. If you've not used one, you're in for a treat.
If i was shooting primes i would not hesitate in buying one. but with the release of the latest Tamron g2 28 75 and 70 180 zooms i sold my primes and and now have the luxury of first class image quality and shoot from a fixed position. I tried all the contraptions that fit to the bottom on my tripods and they were so cumbersome. 1 question Jim, do those stands have roller ball wheels that move in any direction not like caster wheels ?
My stand has castors. But I just get the stand in the approximate right position and after than move the camera with the ball bearing adjustments.
 
...but lets face it no one really knows how much raw file manipulation is going on in cameras these days
Some of us do. But it takes a lot of testing.
 
it defiantly has, but after watching Dustin Abbots reviews on the a74 and 100ii number of pixels make no difference to actually recovering mid tone colour. which has always been my argument, but now i have a review test that also agrees. but lets face it no one really knows how much raw file manipulation is going on in cameras these days 😉so can only take everything with a grain of salt.
What you describe above is not DR.
I tend to disagree, its all part of the performance of a sensor/processor.
DR is full scale over signal that produces a predetermined SNR. SrMi is right.
 
actually i only just bought a beautiful hi precision ball head + tripod 2 weeks ago for my studio. its awesome , ive always used tilt and pan heads but my new tripod and head is so much better and more accurate going from landscape to portrait shooting, its silky smooth at panning with camera locked which none of my other tripods have ever been.
Of all my photographic purchases, the one that was the most satisfying was my Foba camera stand. If you've not used one, you're in for a treat.
If i was shooting primes i would not hesitate in buying one. but with the release of the latest Tamron g2 28 75 and 70 180 zooms i sold my primes and and now have the luxury of first class image quality and shoot from a fixed position. I tried all the contraptions that fit to the bottom on my tripods and they were so cumbersome. 1 question Jim, do those stands have roller ball wheels that move in any direction not like caster wheels ?
My stand has castors. But I just get the stand in the approximate right position and after than move the camera with the ball bearing adjustments.
Just watched a review , it h......................uge
, i would rather a hydraulic car lift to work on my cars for $3000 😁
 
it defiantly has, but after watching Dustin Abbots reviews on the a74 and 100ii number of pixels make no difference to actually recovering mid tone colour. which has always been my argument, but now i have a review test that also agrees. but lets face it no one really knows how much raw file manipulation is going on in cameras these days 😉so can only take everything with a grain of salt.
What you describe above is not DR.
I tend to disagree, its all part of the performance of a sensor/processor.
DR is full scale over signal that produces a predetermined SNR. SrMi is right.
full scale of what colour ? dr was invented way before digital. so what is SNR of asa 400 film ? 😊

this is the only way to measure DR all the other methods are a guess at best. its where maths has fallen over compared to practical. its as bad as trying to calculate lapse rates using a calculator. its impossible. you need to send up a weather balloon.

 
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it defiantly has, but after watching Dustin Abbots reviews on the a74 and 100ii number of pixels make no difference to actually recovering mid tone colour. which has always been my argument, but now i have a review test that also agrees. but lets face it no one really knows how much raw file manipulation is going on in cameras these days 😉so can only take everything with a grain of salt.
What you describe above is not DR.
I tend to disagree, its all part of the performance of a sensor/processor.
DR is full scale over signal that produces a predetermined SNR. SrMi is right.
full scale of what colour ?
Doesn't matter if specified. And modern cameras have the same DR for all the raw channels.
dr was invented way before digital. so what is SNR of asa 400 film ? 😊
Why the smiley? There is a lot of literature on that topic.
this is the only way to measure DR all the other methods are a guess at best.
No guessing. There is a lot of prior art on measuring DR.

Start with this:


If you take it slow I think you'll learn to understand it.
its where maths has fallen over compared to practical. its as bad as trying to calculate lapse rates using a calculator. its impossible. you need to send up a weather balloon.

 
The have been plenty of rumors for years now about high res Canon and Sony sensors. With the given pixel density on Smartphones and incredible image quality at low ISO on these devices the question arises when will we see the high end FF Sony Sensor and what festers will the camera have.

The Alpha One is so close to the A7r IV and V that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would need both in a camera lineup except for a bit of savings on the cheaper A7R IV.

50 or 60 MP are basically the same and the AF on even my trusty A7R IV is lighting fast e.g. with the outstanding 70 .. 200 f/2.0 Macro - I have been able to shoot in very dim situations with amazing acquisition speed at ISO 6400 without a single missed shot. In other words AF has become really reliable and the A7R V is even better let alone the Alpha One.

the only thing remaining is medium format pixel count in a half weight and 2/3 size package with a much better lens availability.

What would you like to see in a high res medium format killer and what would you be willing to pay for a smaller and higher GFX 100 II that#äs retailing for just $ 7500 - I guess the Alpha One R would be a bit more affordable and even in case it would have the same price I already own the lenses that easily manage 100 MP

What are your thoughts?

( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔
narrow minded questions
real world answers 😜
Never mind. Over and out.
you're most probably not interested in that kind of resolution - why did you answer to start with?
You never answered my question. If you weren't interested in a conversation, why did you post to start with?
Funny - thought you’re over and out? 😎

I did
Where? Certainly not in any of your responses to me.
- you and a bad deal of responders are obviously not interested in that kind of resolution - otherwise you and others would not question the use case and debate the other aspects of the wishlist for such a camera. Yet it’s the currently most discussed thread brining the topic to the forefront of attention - very good.
I am fortunately since a decade far beyond needing in my life - I am in the phase of wanting and enjoying. ( just ordered a tailor made dream audiophile chain beyond a top yearly net income )

I am already today panning and shooting and stitching multiple frames to several hundred MP shots and I am partly doing that with 4x Pixel Shift for each frame to enhance the DR additionally.

I am seldomly shooting handheld for quality reasons and I have multiple tripods for different purposes. A GFX 100 or even better a real medium format Phase One with 150 MP would be the gear I‘d love to use for quality reasons provided they would be smaller and lighter. I used to photograph in my younger days with my Plaubel 5“ x 7“ resulting in 1+ GPixel scans - just cumbersome to scan and most of all to carry.

After four long years my A7R IV is still the optically unrivaled best FF camera - in the same time Apple has issued four leapfrogging generations of microprocessors for smartphones and MacBooks.

Sony has not its full attention on the development of outstanding cameras IMHO - all recent cameras have been utterly boring for me.
Here are the two questions you posed initially:

"What would you like to see in a high res medium format killer...What are your thoughts?"

My first thought was "No more pixels, please", and I explained why. I then followed up with the question, "What do you need 100MP for?" in an effort to understand how your use case differs from mine. All you've offered is "I am in the phase of wanting and enjoying", which illuminates nothing.

I've answered the question you invited me to answer. Now I'm left to wonder why you wanted me to answer it in the first place.
 
I've answered the question you invited me to answer. Now I'm left to wonder why you wanted me to answer it in the first place.
( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔
told you so in the opening of the thread - I am not interested in your opinion provided you individually don't see any advantage of following the resolution figures in other much heavier and larger high end cameras like Fuji GFX 100 or a Phase One 150 with 100 respectively 150 MP

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What are your thoughts?

( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔
I was expecting at least a minimum of useful discussion on future FF high res sensor capabilities and potential computational aspects of coping with the shortcomings of smaller whitest more pixels.

As some have pointed out that 48 MP in the modern Smartphones deliver almost better image quality than APS-C cameras in good light and I'd love to see similar approaches in a future FF sensor design being massively larger with just a tiny bit more of pixels.

Obviously not many forward looking forum members and dyslexia. 🤣
 
What are your thoughts?

( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔
I was expecting at least a minimum of useful discussion on future FF high res sensor capabilities and potential computational aspects of coping with the shortcomings of smaller whitest more pixels.

As some have pointed out that 48 MP in the modern Smartphones deliver almost better image quality than APS-C cameras in good light and I'd love to see similar approaches in a future FF sensor design being massively larger with just a tiny bit more of pixels.
In my experience and tests, smartphones do not deliver better IQ than APS-C in any light, but cameras require more skills.

Most (all?) smartphones that create 48MP output are using Quad-Bayer sensors which provide less resolution than a regular Bayer 48MP sensor.
Obviously not many forward looking forum members and dyslexia. 🤣
I would like to have in-camera frame averaging and HDR that can be used handheld. On the other hand, APS-C cameras may have enough DR.

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I would like to have in-camera frame averaging and HDR that can be used handheld. On the other hand, APS-C cameras may have enough DR.
I have summarized my thoughts more than a year ago here and there is a good presentation here and even QualComm has commented on this topic here

All come to the same verdict - SmartPhones will be equal to FF cameras by 2025 - which is surely very aggressive marketing but with a grain of troth in it.

I did tests at low ISO and there is not mach dIffernce between my A7R IV and my iPhone 14 - in fact my spouse identified the untouched computer aided RAWs from my iPhone 14 more compelling that my $ 8 k Sony gear with similar focal length

I'd love to see that computational photography moving directly into my FF ILC ( of course I'd like to have the features to be deactivatable in case I'd want to )

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Einstein on 100 authors against him: It would not have required one hundred authors to prove me wrong; one would have been enough
 
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I've answered the question you invited me to answer. Now I'm left to wonder why you wanted me to answer it in the first place.
( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔
told you so in the opening of the thread - I am not interested in your opinion provided you individually don't see any advantage of following the resolution figures in other much heavier and larger high end cameras like Fuji GFX 100 or a Phase One 150 with 100 respectively 150 MP

🤣
Ah, well then, bye.
 
I did tests at low ISO and there is not mach dIffernce between my A7R IV and my iPhone 14 - in fact my spouse identified the untouched computer aided RAWs from my iPhone 14 more compelling that my $ 8 k Sony gear with similar focal length
Outta curiosity, got a sample of the two pictures between the iPhone and the A7RIV? I don't have an iPhone so I can't attest to its quality..........
 
I did tests at low ISO and there is not mach dIffernce between my A7R IV and my iPhone 14 - in fact my spouse identified the untouched computer aided RAWs from my iPhone 14 more compelling that my $ 8 k Sony gear with similar focal length
Outta curiosity, got a sample of the two pictures between the iPhone and the A7RIV? I don't have an iPhone so I can't attest to its quality..........
Sure - not part of this discussion though and I don’t want to behave like others not respecting the thread topic.
 
The have been plenty of rumors for years now about high res Canon and Sony sensors. With the given pixel density on Smartphones and incredible image quality at low ISO on these devices the question arises when will we see the high end FF Sony Sensor and what festers will the camera have.

The Alpha One is so close to the A7r IV and V that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would need both in a camera lineup except for a bit of savings on the cheaper A7R IV.

50 or 60 MP are basically the same and the AF on even my trusty A7R IV is lighting fast e.g. with the outstanding 70 .. 200 f/2.0 Macro - I have been able to shoot in very dim situations with amazing acquisition speed at ISO 6400 without a single missed shot. In other words AF has become really reliable and the A7R V is even better let alone the Alpha One.

the only thing remaining is medium format pixel count in a half weight and 2/3 size package with a much better lens availability.
bring it on!
What would you like to see in a high res medium format killer and what would you be willing to pay for a smaller and higher GFX 100 II that#äs retailing for just $ 7500 - I guess the Alpha One R would be a bit more affordable and even in case it would have the same price I already own the lenses that easily manage 100 MP

What are your thoughts?

( please skip this thread in case you're not interested in that kind of resolution ) 🤔

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Einstein on 100 authors against him: It would not have required one hundred authors to prove me wrong; one would have been enough
“Medium format killer” is missing the point that sensor area makes a real difference. Those who would like to take advantage of this and can afford it will buy it regardless of the pixel size in smaller formats.

Nevertheless, bring on the smaller pixels please
 

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