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Wm. Bates said:
Wm. Bates said:
but I stil dont, accept your insults. as if there is no problem
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It wasn't meant to be an insult....well maybe a little.
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yes it was.. :)

But really
Wm. Bates said:
were talking a tool here. Not all tools work for everyone.
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yes but I don,t beleive that going back to point and shoot like you susggested will be of any help at all..I beleive that I would do better with a 10d.

but that's all pretty much irrevelant now..exchange period is over and budget restriction. we get what we pay for...and the 300d is not a PRO camera..I have no doubt about that.

If it
Wm. Bates said:
isn't working for you try something else. The metering work in a
predictable manner so i'm not sure it is a fault.
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sure it is predictable that it will react like that with partial meetering as the 300d is forcing on us when using central focusing point..surely it was no way to get other results...

but that was not my point to begin with..if you read my original message..I said that there is no control over the meetering and the focusing mode..so no the 300d is not a PRO camera.

I understand very much that the meetering could not have done better than this for the partial meetering..and it is normal for a partial meetering to do this..but what I was angry about is that there is no other option. no evaluative.

In tough metering
Wm. Bates said:
situations change methods. i check my histogram after almost every
shot. It has become just habit after fighting with my 10D the first
few weeks. It was like that wit the Minolta D7 took me awhile to
figure out that pretty much anything other that 100iso was going to
give me noisy pics. So I stopped changing iso. Pretty much got to
where it was manual set the Av to a good value for the desired dof
and just dial the shutter speed till the evf looked good.
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you really have to own a 300d to understand how this can become frustrating. but since you always use partial meetering it works for 90% of the time in my case..would you have used partial or evaluative with that lemur shot?
Wm. Bates said:
We're talking work arounds. And all these cameras and lens each
have there quirks that need to be worked out.
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they sure do. but that does not make the 300d a PRO camera no?

can you honestly say that the 300d is a PRO camera?

Things I have learned
Wm. Bates said:
with Canon dslr are, shoot raw, double check the histogram, use the
depth of feild preview button, watch your shutter speed and bump
iso as needed, tripods are very good things, ai focus is blessing,
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have you tried to track a bird in flight with it? it failed each time for me.

some of these birds were quite bird in the frame and also coming toward me but it never kicked in..whereas it does kick in quite easily when I have slight camera shake at 300mm on contrasty objects.

http://www.pbase.com/zylen/300d_birds
Wm. Bates said:
and one that most will disagree with seven focus point is the way
to go most of the time.
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in the case of the 300d yes because that's our best chance to get evaluative meetering...but I had very bad luck with it..it was often focusing on trees instead of a bird.

When not in 7 point learn to move focus
Wm. Bates said:
point fast instead of center and recomposing. 7 point and AIfocus
switching to aiservo makes getting sharp in focus moving shots very
easy.
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then I guess the 10D works much better in that regard than the 300d..this is one of the major complain about the 300d.
Wm. Bates said:
Wm. Bates said:
with teh 300d..but there is.
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'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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Kevin Bird said:
I either resolve problems or get rid of them. I don't complain
much. If it's a front or rear focus problem, send it in with a 50
1.8 to calibrate. The 10D I understand has faster focusing than
the 300D as I have read. I shoot 700+ sports pictures a week,
I'll be able to compare easily :)
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Not sure I agree on the focus being faster on the 10D. Playing with my nephews Drebel it seems...just seat of teh pants...it focus as fast. It for sure transitions from AI Focus to AI servo faster.
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'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
 
really? how do you make it kick for flying birds? i never did for me.

what meetering would you have used for the contrasty lemurs? I beleive the evaluative is the way to go there.

no?
Wm. Bates said:
But I use the partial metering and AIfocus almost all the time. So
not much difference really.

AS far as pro, no I don't think the 300D really fits the bill. I
don't think it will hold up over the long run to hundreds of photos
day in and day out. As for function there are very few times I
would feel under gunned with a 300D. It is why I recommend it to my
nephew over the 10D. He trades up cameras every few months it
seems. He won't have it long enough to wear it out. Kids! The only
things I would really miss with the Rebel are no mirror lockup and
no FEC. Both are features I use often and wouldn't want to be
without.
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Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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I beleive he insulted me first..so yes when I get insults..I do respond with insults..although I try not.

I don't do much photoshop work on my photos either.
Mikeslc said:
Daniella said:
Wm. Bates said:
Seems that Canon's beginner DSLR is a little over your head.
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do you have any brain in there??? hello!!!????

however..we can surely compare our photos if you want to judge my
photography skills...

here is my gallery: http://www.pbase.com/zylen

where is yours????????????????????

I don,t beleive you're getting my point... my point was that the
300d has not enough control over the meetering and the focusing
mode to be considered a PRO camera.

and your freaking insult wont change anything.

PERIOD
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Daniella said:
The 300d is not a PRO tool because it does not have control over
the meeterint mode and does nto have control over the focusing mode.
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The fact that you do not know how to use it correctly does not mean it is not a proper tool. Manual mode is the key to not only the 300D but other DSLR cameras as well. The fact that you don't know how to use it properly is your issue. I also use "P" mode on the 10D quite a bit (P mode on the 300D works very similarly). Knowing what to meter on is the key to proper exposures.

You really need to re-read the manual and get a good book on photography and stop being so defensive about your inability to use the 300D to your advantage.

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wow..I have no problem to beleive that..

your probably part of the wolves pack too.
Wm. Bates said:
Kevin Bird said:
Have any thoughts of replacing your 300D with the 10D? I just sold
my 300D and my 10D will be here tomorrow. Can't wait :)
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coming over to the 10D forum and complaining about focus problems.
Were much nastier over there. ;^)
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Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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I am not an English native speaker!
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http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
no silly. not the fact that I don,t know how to use a camera..but the fact that it does not let you control what meetering mode you can use and what focusing mode you can choose..that's all.
Doug Walker said:
Daniella said:
The 300d is not a PRO tool because it does not have control over
the meeterint mode and does nto have control over the focusing mode.
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The fact that you do not know how to use it correctly does not mean
it is not a proper tool. Manual mode is the key to not only the
300D but other DSLR cameras as well.
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I beleive you cannot choose the meetering mode in M mode..so duh..what's your point?

The fact that you don't know
Doug Walker said:
how to use it properly is your issue. I also use "P" mode on the
10D quite a bit (P mode on the 300D works very similarly).
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YOu don't even own a 300d?????????????????????

do soemthing..go buy one and then we'll talk later ok?

Knowing
Doug Walker said:
what to meter on is the key to proper exposures.
You really need to re-read the manual and get a good book on
photography and stop being so defensive about your inability to use
the 300D to your advantage.
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and you really need to read the specs about the 300d and you will talk like someone who knows somethign.
Doug Walker said:
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Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
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Fire off a few test shots, check the histogram and set the camera in manual mode to shoot the rest. If it was as easy as you want it to be, everyone one would be shooting National Geographic cover shots. You "must" do some thinking on your own if you want spectacular shots.
Daniella said:
now the 300d is a good camera for 90% of the time.. but hey..it is
no PRO camera.

I beleive that if I would have got a 10D with evaluative mode
selected..those lemur photos woud have turned out much better.
Doug Walker said:
Learn how to use it or return it. I've captured many a special
moment with my 10D. You can do the same with the the 300D. Do a
search on Travis. Travis bought a 300D a few months ago and has
posted many "special moments" type photos of his family that are
simply superb. If he can do it so can you.
If all you want is a camera that you push the button and it
magically produces magazine cover quality photos automatically
without input from you then no DSLR will suit you.
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I just want a camera with a reliable meetering mode..is that too
much to ask? is that not possible with a DSLR as well as a 300$
point and shoot?

I don,t beleive so.
Daniella68313 said:
--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
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I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
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--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
 
Wm. Bates said:
Wm. Bates said:
Not sure I agree on the focus being faster on the 10D. Playing with
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my nephews Drebel it seems...just seat of teh pants...it focus as
fast. It for sure transitions from AI Focus to AI servo faster.
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oK..try flying birds...enjoy! :)
Wm. Bates said:
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Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
It's the abilty to select AI Servo that I want. The D Rebel doesn't offer you the choice of AI Servo other than Sports mode.
Wm. Bates said:
Kevin Bird said:
I either resolve problems or get rid of them. I don't complain
much. If it's a front or rear focus problem, send it in with a 50
1.8 to calibrate. The 10D I understand has faster focusing than
the 300D as I have read. I shoot 700+ sports pictures a week,
I'll be able to compare easily :)
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Not sure I agree on the focus being faster on the 10D. Playing with
my nephews Drebel it seems...just seat of teh pants...it focus as
fast. It for sure transitions from AI Focus to AI servo faster.
--
Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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Now I am wondering..what is all that about anyway?

you really do beleive that the 300d is a pro camera? when by all means..why don't you sell your 10D and get a 300d to do your professional work???

now hear this..now one..not even both of you 10D owners can deny this.

the 300d meetering is not selectable..it is linked to the shooting mode and the focusing method. There is simply no control over the meetering and it is impossible to get evaluative meetering when you use central focusing point.

there is no control over the AI servo either..and I assume that since you are a pro..you do understand the meaning of "control?"

when I mean control I mean that this is a selectable feature. It is selectable on the 10D, not on the 300d.

now I really don't understand why 2 persons from the 10d forum come in here flaming a 300d owner for her opinion on a camera that I actualy own and not you??? you are probably just trolls then or else I don,t understand.
Doug Walker said:
Daniella said:
now the 300d is a good camera for 90% of the time.. but hey..it is
no PRO camera.

I beleive that if I would have got a 10D with evaluative mode
selected..those lemur photos woud have turned out much better.
Doug Walker said:
Learn how to use it or return it. I've captured many a special
moment with my 10D. You can do the same with the the 300D. Do a
search on Travis. Travis bought a 300D a few months ago and has
posted many "special moments" type photos of his family that are
simply superb. If he can do it so can you.
If all you want is a camera that you push the button and it
magically produces magazine cover quality photos automatically
without input from you then no DSLR will suit you.
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I just want a camera with a reliable meetering mode..is that too
much to ask? is that not possible with a DSLR as well as a 300$
point and shoot?

I don,t beleive so.
Doug Walker said:
--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
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--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
Click to expand...
--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
Click to expand...
--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
I just leave it in partial and don't think to change. Ok...on the lemurs it would have been in partail. I find that with evaluative the 10D biases way to much to foreground and blows highlights. With partial I get more consistant results. So I don't think much about the metering mode. I just check the histogram and bump the bias. It has gotten to be habit. I leave it in AI focus. Started using one shot all the time. Which when photgraphing wildlife it drove me nuts. I was missing shots when critters moved just a little. Tried AI servo but i missed the focus confermation. It really just felt strange having it ther all the time. AI focus seems to work well. The 10D is a little slow to transition but not bad. My seat of the pants feel is my nephews Drebel transitions much faster to ai servo. When panning on birds with my 400/5.6 L it seems to transition flawlessly when panning on flying birds. It has never been a problem.
Daniella said:
what meetering would you have used for the contrasty lemurs? I
beleive the evaluative is the way to go there.

no?
Wm. Bates said:
But I use the partial metering and AIfocus almost all the time. So
not much difference really.

AS far as pro, no I don't think the 300D really fits the bill. I
don't think it will hold up over the long run to hundreds of photos
day in and day out. As for function there are very few times I
would feel under gunned with a 300D. It is why I recommend it to my
nephew over the 10D. He trades up cameras every few months it
seems. He won't have it long enough to wear it out. Kids! The only
things I would really miss with the Rebel are no mirror lockup and
no FEC. Both are features I use often and wouldn't want to be
without.
--
Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
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--
Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
 
he and Doug don't even own a 300d..so they have no clue what you and me are talking about.

those are 2 10d users...from the 10D forum coming in here trying to tell us that we are not right about a camera that we actualy OWN.

but hey...they will tell you it's your fault if the AI focus does not work for you..but don't listen to them! you must have a lack of knowledge..or a lack of professionalism somewhere...

right?
Kevin Bird said:
Wm. Bates said:
Kevin Bird said:
I either resolve problems or get rid of them. I don't complain
much. If it's a front or rear focus problem, send it in with a 50
1.8 to calibrate. The 10D I understand has faster focusing than
the 300D as I have read. I shoot 700+ sports pictures a week,
I'll be able to compare easily :)
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Not sure I agree on the focus being faster on the 10D. Playing with
my nephews Drebel it seems...just seat of teh pants...it focus as
fast. It for sure transitions from AI Focus to AI servo faster.
--
Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
Mikeslc said:
Didn't you and some other Utah 10D owners gonna get together down
there in southern utah a while back? I should head down there and
maybe I'll learn a thing or two watching you guys.
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Sure come along if we do it again. Of course you may learn more bad habits than anything really useful. We learned patients on that trip. We made the same hike twice because we wern't willing to wait 10 more minutes for good light. Oh well I neede the exercise.
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Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
 
I only remember seeing all different versions of IR images you posted and those with stacking multiple images and so on. Maybe you have not done as much Photoshop with your photos recently. My bad if I'm wrong.
Daniella said:
I beleive he insulted me first..so yes when I get insults..I do
respond with insults..although I try not.

I don't do much photoshop work on my photos either.
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Ok..lets make a deal here...give me your 10D..I wil give you my 300d...

It seem that you are already using the 10D in the way that the 300d is the only way it is working..and I would love to have the control that you don't even use.
 
I was under the impression they have owned one of these ummmm gems.
Daniella said:
those are 2 10d users...from the 10D forum coming in here trying to
tell us that we are not right about a camera that we actualy OWN.

but hey...they will tell you it's your fault if the AI focus does
not work for you..but don't listen to them! you must have a lack
of knowledge..or a lack of professionalism somewhere...

right?
Kevin Bird said:
Wm. Bates said:
Kevin Bird said:
I either resolve problems or get rid of them. I don't complain
much. If it's a front or rear focus problem, send it in with a 50
1.8 to calibrate. The 10D I understand has faster focusing than
the 300D as I have read. I shoot 700+ sports pictures a week,
I'll be able to compare easily :)
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Not sure I agree on the focus being faster on the 10D. Playing with
my nephews Drebel it seems...just seat of teh pants...it focus as
fast. It for sure transitions from AI Focus to AI servo faster.
--
Bill
http://www.pbase.com/slowpokebill
'Sometime the magic works. Sometimes it doesn't'
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--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
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ha yes..for infrared I do lots of post processing..but I though we were talking about the 300d..I don't do IR with the 300d..it does not work well.

I do almost no post-processing on the 300d photos. 90% of the time they come out right on target.
Mikeslc said:
Daniella said:
I beleive he insulted me first..so yes when I get insults..I do
respond with insults..although I try not.

I don't do much photoshop work on my photos either.
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I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
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