Will there be an R7 Mk II ?

John Photo wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

Alastair Norcross wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

Alastair Norcross wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

Justme wrote:

I'll speculate in 1 to 1.5 years the R7 MK2 will be out.

I think Canon put out the R7 with less abled features to get the 1.6x crowd into mirrorless but will quickly upgrade it to the R7 MK2 in under 2 years.

That makes little sense when you consider the large number of 7D Mark II uses who waited years for a 7D Mark III and then waited some more years in anticipation of an R7 which would be a worthy successor in all respects - but in reality arguably fell short in a number of areas (buffer size,

The R7 buffer is much much larger than the 7DII buffer. This nonsense about the R7 having a smaller buffer than the 7DII is just plain silly.

where did I say it was smaller ?

"Fell short in a number of areas (buffer size)". I guess I'm just interpreting the words the way most people would. If you meant that the buffer fell short, despite being a lot bigger, you should have said so.

Anyway, some people have actually claimed that the R7 buffer is smaller than 7DII buffer.

It's only because Canon gives you the opportunity to shoot at 30fps that the buffer can fill up more quickly than the 7DII buffer. That doesn't make the buffer smaller. Giving you more options doesn't magically shrink the buffer.

with the R7 set for 30fps and the 7DII at 10fps both cameras hit their limit at just after 30 frames.

My 7DII would get 31 frames at 10fps. My R7 gets 39 frames at 30fps in full RAW. That's 3 times the shooting speed, 62.5% bigger files, and 26% more frames. That's a massive upgrade. The only way to pretend that it isn't is to be completely innumerate.

no, it's a minor upgrade given that the 7DII was released in 2014. And the fact that the buffer fills in 1/3 of the time clearly indicates this - yes its faster but fills more quickly

with the R7 at 15 fps it hits the limit after about 45 frames

Yes. That's 50% higher shooting speed, 62.5% bigger files, and 45% more frames. Again, a massive upgrade by any objective standards.

tiny upgrade given the E I G H T years between the two cameras.

Have a look at the R5's buffer compared to its predecessor from eight years ago - the 5DIII (end even the 5D4) and then you might understand what I'm talking about and why I feel that the R7 has fallen short of what I would expect we should have got with eight years between it and the 7D2

If you shoot at 15fps, still 50% faster than the 7DII's top speed, you can shoot for longer than with the 7DII.

No, it's still around 3 seconds - both cameras the same

True, but see above for what a massive upgrade this represents in terms of actual buffer size.

Three seconds is three seconds no matter how you try to spin it and then there's the lag while the camera writes to the SD.

One second or three seconds - how does that compare to the old Nikon D500. Back in the day many 7DII users were commenting on how much better the D500's buffer was and lamenting that Canon didn't have a match for it - but "by gosh when the 7DIII comes out we'll sure match and beat that Nikon D500" . . . eight years later and we still have the tiny buffer

Peter

IMO, that comparison makes no sense without also taking into account the file sizes, otherwise it is apples to oranges. And is there really a point in 40 fps? 30 fps? Who wants to look through a 30-40 images that are nearly the same, hoping one is "the one." It's a bit like throwing a bunch of spaghetti against a wall and hoping one noodle stuck. Sure, there may be an occasional exception, but rarely from a practical standpoint. if a shooter feels that 30-40 is actually needed very often, that might be a clue that it is the operator that needs to improve and not the gear/situation being the issue.

I certainly don't prefer to do any more that 12 or 15 fps, but I can tell you, there are certainly subjects that are so fast and twitchy, like Kinglets as an example, where 20 or 30, heck 40 fps would probably be an advantage. I just hope one doesn't leave it set for that the entire trip ! Or that is going to be some painful culling 😀 lol