Will there be an R7 Mk II ?

Messier Object wrote:

Alastair Norcross wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

Justme wrote:

I'll speculate in 1 to 1.5 years the R7 MK2 will be out.

I think Canon put out the R7 with less abled features to get the 1.6x crowd into mirrorless but will quickly upgrade it to the R7 MK2 in under 2 years.

That makes little sense when you consider the large number of 7D Mark II uses who waited years for a 7D Mark III and then waited some more years in anticipation of an R7 which would be a worthy successor in all respects - but in reality arguably fell short in a number of areas (buffer size,

The R7 buffer is much much larger than the 7DII buffer. This nonsense about the R7 having a smaller buffer than the 7DII is just plain silly.

where did I say it was smaller ?

"Fell short in a number of areas (buffer size)". I guess I'm just interpreting the words the way most people would. If you meant that the buffer fell short, despite being a lot bigger, you should have said so. Anyway, some people have actually claimed that the R7 buffer is smaller than 7DII buffer.

It's only because Canon gives you the opportunity to shoot at 30fps that the buffer can fill up more quickly than the 7DII buffer. That doesn't make the buffer smaller. Giving you more options doesn't magically shrink the buffer.

with the R7 set for 30fps and the 7DII at 10fps both cameras hit their limit at just after 30 frames.

My 7DII would get 31 frames at 10fps. My R7 gets 39 frames at 30fps in full RAW. That's 3 times the shooting speed, 62.5% bigger files, and 26% more frames. That's a massive upgrade. The only way to pretend that it isn't is to be completely innumerate.

with the R7 at 15 fps it hits the limit after about 45 frames

Yes. That's 50% higher shooting speed, 62.5% bigger files, and 45% more frames. Again, a massive upgrade by any objective standards.

If you shoot at 15fps, still 50% faster than the 7DII's top speed, you can shoot for longer than with the 7DII.

No, it's still around 3 seconds - both cameras the same

True, but see above for what a massive upgrade this represents in terms of actual buffer size.

And if you shoot cRAW, you can shoot a lot longer.

Given the age difference between the 7DII and the R7 I definitely can't consider the R7 to be much of an improvement in terms of its frame buffer.

As I've explained above, the only way not to consider the R7 to be much of an improvement over the 7DII in terms of its frame buffer involves ignoring basic math.

readout speed, battery grip, EVF, shutter shake, weather sealing, ergonomics . . . )

Yes I bought the R7 but am still using my 7DII. I would have paid another $1,000 for a better R7 if it was indeed a 7DII successor

You, and maybe five or six other people. If Canon had released the camera you want at $2500, it would have been a financial flop.

No, it would have bitten deeper into Canon's FF sales

I guess we'll never know.

How many people would choose that camera over the R6II at the same price?

the very same people who have a 1.4x TC nailed to their 100-500mm when they shoot wildlife with their R3, R6 and R6II

A lot of those people seem to have the $1500 R7 anyway.

I'm sorry for you that Canon didn't produce that niche camera.

I'm very pleased for myself, and many other R7 owners, that they produced exactly the right camera to succeed the 7DII.

And now you're suggesting the Canon 'strategy' is to have us wait again for the next model before we see the true mirrorless 7DII successor . . .

Peter

I had the 7DII for six years. Great camera. The R7 is a huge advance on it in almost every respect, and certainly every respect that matters to me. The shutter shock is a complete non-issue if you shoot in EFCS or e-shutter.