So I'm finally switching from A7r IV to H2s

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What is your reasoning for the X-H2s over the A7IV, just curious?

Speed and buffer. A7r IV has 10 fps, but at 10 fps (Hi+) it's very laggy so I have to drop down to what I believe is 8 fps (Hi). I assume A7 IV is the same.

Also, A7r IV doesn't support CFExpress cards but UHS -II and fast UHS-II cards are very expensive, yet much slower than CFE.
A7 IV supports CFE but CFE-A, not CFE-B. A is also very expensive compared to B.

OK, makes sense, I think the 10fps on the A7IV can really rattle, 33mp too, there's also the excellent object tracking on it which is similar to the A1 in accuracy. Overall, image quality is very impressive, particularly ooc on the A7IV. I'm only using uhs-ii it seems excellent performance. There's a lot of unique lenses for Sony now, the Samyang 135 1.8 is similar performance to the Sony GM and very competitive pricing.

Unfortunately going to A7 IV from A7r IV would be a downgrade, and I'm already not happy with A7r IV performance in motorsport photography (besides image quality, but pretty much no one pixel peeps in motorsport).
The only relevant upgrade for motorsport photography would be A1, which is too expensive.

This is really interesting, how do you perceive the A7IV a downgrade to the A7RIV? On the one hand you are downgrading to 26mp from 60mp but then you say the 33mp is a downgrade? That doesn't make any sense to me? If you go here;

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/best/mirrorless-cameras-for-birds-in-flight/

you'll see the X-H2s is still some distance from the best mirrorless for af and the A7IV is the highest ranking mirrorless without a stacked sensor, that performs close to stacked, albeit with 10fps, yes. But do you want 20fps with 4-5 maybe more oof images or 9 out of every 10 in focus? You are also panning a stacked sensor that is fast but not the fastest, will it hold up without bending-distorting things at a busy track? Obviously the plan is to blur everything but can you do that with the X-H2s, will you need to use its mechanical shutter in the end, will light pulsing be a thing around the track as the lights dim a bit and you are getting weird strobing effects with e-shutter, I don't know, do you?

One of things I do like about having the A1 is if all else fails you can revert to mechanical shutter, with the Z9 that is not an option. You can also revert to the X-H2s mechanical shutter too, but even at its fastest rate if you were to get 11 or 12 shots in focus/second are you really performing that much better than the A7IV? I think these huge fps are a little overplayed myself and I do own the A1 but rarely do I want to shoot 30fps, its a nightmare working through them all...

I think that for motorsports, the X-H2S narrows this gap quite considerably.

Not only that, but I think A7 IV doesn't even come close to H2s in motorsport.

If you cant shoot motorsport with an A7IV you cant do it with a XH2S either

I have no doubt xh2s is a great choice for motorsports but vehicles/bikes etc are easily handled by A7IV. no need for an expensive cfe a card either, you get about 6 seconds of buffer at 10fps and clears fast on uhsii. That side of things are no limitation. yes there is some lag on Hi+ or you can go to high like you have said.

Will get my hands on a xh2s one day but ive never seen one in the wild i really want the xh2s to be better, but more fps does not make a better camera for me. if i shoot more than about 3 shots of the same thing im really going crazy. im really not sure why all of a sudden people think you need an A1, Z9 etc to shoot anything that moves.

The way I shoot motorsport, I need higher fps.
I want to slow down shutter speed as much as possible. I don't want my cars to look like they are parked.
A7 IV and A7r IV can achieve that, but with a ton of blurry photos. Only about 10% are useful.
I'm starting to question if people giving me advice actually shoot motorsport.

But why are you getting the blurry photos on the sony? seems like your saying its fps and buffer?

Do some panning with your A7 IV at 1/25th shutter speed and let me know how many good photos you get with 10 fps.

I cant get any at 1/25. Was just trying to understand if there was an af issue, panning ibis issue or going for the highest number of images to get a higher keeper rate etc which seems to be the case. Nowt wrong with that, panning is hard.

It's the slow shutter speed. I can get a lot of keepers with A7r IV at 1/60th (cars leaving the corner), but with 20-30 fps I could go down to 1/20th and get more hits and a higher chance of a sharper image. Sure I'd get a lot more images to cull, but I'm willing to sacrifice that.

That will be with way under 40 fps I assume?