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we're still in the dawn of the RF mount - need to give them a chance
This says it all of course.
R2
When talking about a high quality Canon 50mm f/1.4 we're still in the dawn of the EF mount if not FD mount.
touché
but
Chris - he would choose the R6II over the A74 if he were shooting sports and action - he says the subject action AF keeps up with the 40 fps...AMAZING.
40 fps.... that's a movie. Full automatic culling required...
faststone is your friend
I'll likely use 20 fps mostly
He says he'd chose the A74 for slower general photography for the slightly higher resolution and 3rd party support. For video, Jordon likes the R6II over the A74 for reasons stated here:
Canon EOS R6 Mark II Final Review - YouTube
if using the great zooms with great AF - canon is hard to beat with speed, AF action and pj work
True. You'll have to pay for those zooms, but a body like the R8 makes the overall package a somewhat better deal. The downside: a good value for money body is worse than good value for money glass, as most shooters have multiple lenses and just one body. There's a reason Canon is discounting bodies but maintaining high prices for lenses.
And Sony isn't cheaper.
FE options are.
Canon's RF 24-70 is currently $100 less than Sony's
though those lens AF motors are impressive and the small size is impressive with your A74, the speed of the sony body and af acquisition in low light for zooms lags behind
True as well. I'm not selling the R5 + EF 24-70 f/2.8 mkII. The R8 + RF version might be even better for low light AF, but the R5 + EF version is good enough for my needs when it comes to low light AF and AF for fast moving subjects as well. Canon simply wins here, no question.
yep
the big picture - a camera alone cannot take a shot. A lens alone cannot take a shot. It takes the combo. Everything has its compromises including price. Looking at the R8/R6II galleries here, the RF 85 F2IS and RF 24-105 F4L will work very well for me.
You got the RF f/4.0 L at it's introduction price. At it's current price the value for money ratio is worse.
Both Sony and Canon charge the same amount for this zoom
But for Sony you're not dependent on native brand options only.
The RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm is great for everything except for AF (and to a lesser extend bokeh maybe).
well, one can shift to a zoom if shooting action,
At the cost of a loss of light. The smaller the loss of light, the higher the extra costs for the zoom.
the RF85 F2 IS handles pedestrian motion
For AF - even low light AF - I would pick the A7IV + Sigma f/1.4 DN any day over an R8 + RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm.
Sure, but at significant higher costs
Not if you need an L zoom next to it to get your fast AF.
It would be interesting to compare the A7IV & 50mm f/1.2 GM to the R8 + RF 50mm f/1.2 L for low light AF. Faster read out speed, better algorithms and a faster processor, it all helps, however, it can't provide more torque to the AF motors at some point.
and 2-4 times faster fps - certainly will get some hits
I don't care, but that's a preference thing admittedly.
And if I need 50 fov, the M6II + 32 f1.4 with spot focus has not let me down
What if Chris had evaluated the AF of the A7IV and R6II using spot focus AF?
yes I'd like a RF 50 f1.4 with speedy AF motors for action. But I also want the speed and price and size of an R8
The price of the R8 is good, but for true low light work an f/2.8 zoom is still beneficial, and at that point the high price of the zoom will compensate Canon for the low price of the R8.
ahh, but again, look at Sony's similar lens pricing
I'm looking at the pricing of FE options. RF options = Canon options. FE options = more than Sony options only. You can compare as if the FE mount was a closed mount just like the RF mount, but we both know this isn't the reality. And third party options do have downsides sometimes, but they are not necessarily skimping on AF speed.
to each their own - and as Chris said, there is not a bad choice between the Sony and the Canon
Look, if Canon comes up with both an RF 50mm f/1.4 ÜUSM and RF 85mm f/1.4 ÜUSM I'll simply sell the A7VI. But you and I know Canon won't ever come up with these lenses, so I'm sticking with the A7IV.
your 50 and 85 are great
but I think for action, your 24-70 is great too
The 50 f/1.2 GM is perfect, beside the fact the 40 Art + R5 is still a tiny little better for low light AF. That's enough of a reason to keep the 40mm for shooting at home, but it's not enough of a reason to carry 40mm in the bag though.
The 85mm DN is better than the RF f/2.0 IS stm for shooting action, but it's still not perfect. The R5 + 105mm Art is better. There's another "problem" with this DN lens: I can't use it when the 50GM occupies the A7IV. This is one reason not to leave the 105 Art at home. Another reason to bring the 105 Art: it's more telephoto, and combined with 45Mp and it's added croppability it's more of a reach option than 85mm @ 32Mp.
The 24-70mm is perfect for both IQ and AF, but the bokeh is so so. That's not a big problem anymore as I can shoot the 50GM and 85mmDN alongside the standard zoom.
I'm still wishing for a faster focusing 85mm though. Neither the RF or the FE mount has a perfect option here. The Sony 85mm GM is slow. The Sigma DN has the stepper motor, whereas the 50mm DN has the faster XD linear motors, and I really wished for those XD linear motors in the 85mm as well. AF speed isn't bad, but it's not great either. The RF 85mm f/1.2 isn't fast which is a shame considering it's price. The Sigma EF f/1.4 isn't crazy fast either. The Canon EF f/1.4 IS USM has fast AF but fringes like hell which isn't even gone shooting narrower than f/2.8, and it's fairly expensive for what it is. So I'm circumventing the lack of the ideal 85mm lens with the 105 Art (fastest AF, negligible distortion, best reach and most beautiful rendering as long as I'm willing to carry a boat anchor), and the 85mm DN (light weight and more flexible, but less speedy AF and distortion, and no 50GM alongside) but it's not ideal. I still have to pick my poison when packing my bag picking the telephoto portrait lens. And I would rather see an RF option to fill that gap than an FE option, that's for sure, but I think it's more likely we will see an FE option filling that gap.
