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I'm in for the R50... Rationale?

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thunder storm Forum Pro • Posts: 10,139
Re: The Big Picture

MAC wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

MAC wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

we're still in the dawn of the RF mount - need to give them a chance

This says it all of course.

R2

When talking about a high quality Canon 50mm f/1.4 we're still in the dawn of the EF mount if not FD mount.

touché

but

Chris - he would choose the R6II over the A74 if he were shooting sports and action - he says the subject action AF keeps up with the 40 fps...AMAZING.

40 fps....  that's a movie. Full automatic culling required...

He says he'd chose the A74 for slower general photography for the slightly higher resolution and 3rd party support. For video, Jordon likes the R6II over the A74 for reasons stated here:

Canon EOS R6 Mark II Final Review - YouTube

if using the great zooms with great AF - canon is hard to beat with speed, AF action and pj work

True. You'll have to pay for those zooms, but a body like the R8 makes the overall package a somewhat better deal. The downside: a good value for money body is worse than good value for money glass, as most shooters have multiple lenses and just one body. There's a reason Canon is discounting bodies but maintaining high prices for lenses.

though those lens AF motors are impressive and the small size is impressive with your A74, the speed of the sony body and af acquisition in low light for zooms lags behind

True as well. I'm not selling the R5 + EF 24-70 f/2.8 mkII. The R8 + RF version might be even better for low light AF, but the R5 + EF version is good enough for my needs when it comes to low light AF and AF for fast moving subjects as well. Canon simply wins here, no question.

the big picture - a camera alone cannot take a shot. A lens alone cannot take a shot. It takes the combo. Everything has its compromises including price. Looking at the R8/R6II galleries here, the RF 85 F2IS and RF 24-105 F4L will work very well for me.

You got the RF f/4.0 L at it's introduction price. At it's current price the value for money ratio is worse. The RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm is great for everything except for AF (and to a lesser extend bokeh maybe). For AF - even low light AF - I would pick the A7IV + Sigma f/1.4 DN any day over an R8 + RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm.

It would be interesting to compare the A7IV & 50mm f/1.2 GM to the R8 + RF 50mm f/1.2 L for low light AF.  Faster read out speed, better algorithms and a faster processor, it all helps, however, it can't provide more torque to the AF motors at some point.

And if I need 50 fov, the M6II + 32 f1.4 with spot focus has not let me down

What if Chris had evaluated the AF of the A7IV and R6II using spot focus AF? 

yes I'd like a RF 50 f1.4 with speedy AF motors for action. But I also want the speed and price and size of an R8

The price of the R8 is good, but for true low light work an f/2.8 zoom is still beneficial, and at that point the high price of the zoom will compensate Canon for the low price of the R8.

to each their own - and as Chris said, there is not a bad choice between the Sony and the Canon

Look, if Canon comes up with both an RF 50mm f/1.4 ÜUSM and RF 85mm f/1.4 ÜUSM I'll simply sell the A7VI.  But you and I know Canon won't ever come up with these lenses, so I'm sticking with the A7IV.

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