User Experience is Top Metric Again

charlyw64 wrote:

Steve Balcombe wrote:

David Hull wrote:

You are trying to make the argument that Canon is "too expensive for what it's worth" i.e., overpriced. You are also trying to make the argument that other manufacturers products are just as good while being cheaper.

So, if all this is true, just buy the other product and be done with it -- price is your driver. Unfortunately, though, this doesn't seem to be the case. By your own admission, there is apparently something you like about that Canon "L" glass that the others don't offer. You just don't like the price.

Unfortunately (for us), Canon seems to want premium prices for their premium stuff. Fortunately (for Canon) enough people are bellying up to the bar that they can get those prices. Canon is not the only company like that -- vote with your wallet if you are unhappy, then. -- as you say there are other options.

Ironically, the EOS R system product which I have personally been least satisfied with (in many respects, not all) is the one which is an absolute bargain and cheaper than almost anyone expected - the R7. I so wish they had gone for a higher spec sensor and a more R5/R6-like body, at whatever price would have made that possible. 50% more would still be only £2k.

And for me that would have priced me out of the system. The R7 was the only one even remotely fitting my needs and price - if you can afford full frame then it's ok to price the APS-C performance camera out of the hands of those that can't cough up that much money you obviously so casually can spend.

But it isn't the "APS-C performance camera", that's the whole point. It's a mid-range body at a very keen price, and as such it appeals to a lot of people including yourself. What it's not, is the high-end crop body that others were waiting and hoping for. The R7 name is a big hint that there will never be one, which is making many people look at Olympus and Fujifilm.

By the way, I don't have a lot of time for your 'inverted snobbery'. For most of my working life I didn't have the disposable income for anything more than a basic SLR body (which I never upgraded) and a very small set of non-L lenses. But now I'm lucky enough to be able to choose better gear and I make no apology for that. That said, "only £2k" wasn't intended to suggest this is pocket change, only that it would be a good price for a truly high-end APS-C body like the £2,500 Fujifilm X-H2S with the benefit of Canon's AF technology. Even the OM-1 with its even smaller M4/3 sensor is over £2k.