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SNJops
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Re: Someone says ...

Klaus dk wrote:

Jozef M wrote:

What if someone says to you: 'Canon is too expensive, camera bodies and lenses, and no third party lenses ...'

Jozef.

Someone says it all the time, so there's nothing new in that, but it's not as straightforward as it may seem. And the R system seems to be selling quite well, so maybe not everyone agrees.

"Expensive" is a relative term. I agree some Canon products cost more money than I'm willing to spend, but I don't agree that they're too expensive. Some competing products have marginally better specs, and lower prices, but specs aren't everything, and UX is one of the things that sets Canon apart from other manufacturers.

Another thing is, that with a Canon R system, all things play well together and that is also worth paying for, IMHO.

As long as my needs are covered by native RF lenses, I see no need for third party RF lenses. RF-S lenses clearly places APS-C as an entry-level tier, and I think it's a shame. It seems Canon has abandoned that market segment, perhaps because they don't want to cannibalise their FF market. I assume Canon is better at assessing their market than I am, but I suppose they could open the RF protocol to third parties if they saw an advantage in doing so.

R cameras apply digital lens correction for RF lenses to the VF and live view feed in real time, and also to both jpeg and raw files when shooting. If the same should apply to third party lenses, who's going to be responsible for flaws in that process?

It's been quite normal to see Sony cameras perform in unexpected ways regarding vignetting correction of third party lenses. By restricting access to the RF protocol, Canon has avoided that.

Good luck and good light.

In terms of paying for everything working together you get that on Sony as well even with 3rd party lenses. Zeiss, Voigtländer, Tamron, Tokina and Sigma all have licenses to make glass for emout so no compatibility issues. Even reverse engineered options from Samyang work well and any issues are resolved with firmware updates.

For me the ability to use 3rd party lenses enhances my user experience of the Sony platform. For example I have a manual focus 50mm f1.2 lens from Voigtländer which gives me a different look from my 50mm f1.2 GM and because it mounts natively I don’t need any adapters.

Sony’s 3rd generation of cameras their ergonomics where definitely inferior to Canon and Nikon. 4th generation for me personally Sony is as good. I have held an R5 and R6 and I find them as good in the hand as my A7RIV, others will disagree but that was my experience. When holding Canon cameras with larger adapted lenses however is a different story, I held an R6 with an adapted Sigma 85mm f1.4 HSM and it was awful in the hand. Way too heavy and unbalanced, can only imagine how much worse a 70-200 or 100-400 EF would feel to hold. Speaking for myself only.

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