What would the FFF have to do in order to be competative?

Scottelly wrote:

Stillton wrote:

dellaaa wrote:

Reading a recent post that included a 60M pixel Bayer sensor shot, the the discussion turned into a debate as to whether the FFF would ever arrive.

Looking at the Bayer photo what do you believe the FFF sensor would have to do better than the current generation of Bayer sensors? What are the design criteria the FFF design team have?

I don't know but given the physics of the design and the past Foveons, low light performance would most likely not be on par with the Bayer, agreed?

Historically, Sigmas have required extensive image processing both while taking the shot and afterwords (SPP). Will the FFF shoot at the frame rates of the current Bayers? Again, given the history, this seems doubtful.

So with low light and speed out of the equation, whats left, detail and color rendition.

As for detail, how would the specs of the proposed FFF stack up against the 60M plus Bayer sensors? Would the advantage in detail make up for the shortcoming?

The remaining design criteria, is color. Would Sigma's color rendition be enough for people to buy it?

I don't know and would like rational, opinions as just what will the FFF bring to the table, and why any non L mount people in 2023 would buy it when 100M pixel Bayers are on the horizon that take great low light picture at high frame rates.

At this point, fanboys aside, the fact that we are still discussing this seems a bit absurd to me, so why did I start this thread lol?.

FFF needs to exist at least in its original (and not in Quattro) form retaining (or rather - rediscovering) its 1:1:1 Merrill spirit.

Combining that with better infrastructure (akin to FP or quattro platform) it will win any comparison within its limits (aka low iso performance and other stuff like this)

In fact, if Sigma could create 6x4 digital back with their sensor, they will destroy any bayer competition in that market too.

Recently looked at some 2010 hassel's images (100Mpx images) they were horribly blurred and meh colors. If foveon could only step into that segment, they would be by far the most "magical" sensor.

It would. The problem is that Sigma has no lenses for medium format, and now that Fuji is in that game it would be quite the up-hill battle to beat Fuji, with their excellent, reasonably priced lenses, and their fast, feature rich, affordable 100 MP cameras. Sigma has a complete line of high quality lenses for full-frame. Why not just develop a full-frame camera (like they're doing), followed by a better full-frame camera, with more features and an even better sensor?

Most likely it is the cost of growing those chips is what stops them... or just a lack of vision/understanding what outstanding piece of tech their got in their IP.

I agree with your comment, small batch production of chips, combined with low yields might have been the real reason why my arm-chair business advice might not have been applicable.