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The next Foveon camera?

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Scottelly
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Re: The next Foveon camera?

Jozef M wrote:

tarmov wrote:

Jozef M wrote:

You suffer from some kind of haunting delusion, or perhaps you are seeing ghosts???

Maybe, yes.

But let me give some anecdotal examples for comparison:

"I have Vibrams. Vibram Fivefingers have no future, because the cushioned shoes have evolved so much in recent years. Fivefingers should just pack their bags and go under."

"I have a city bicycle, but city bicycles have no future because of urban sprawl and also fat bikes have evolved so much lately."

"I have a PassivHaus, but PassivHauses have no future because zero-energy houses have evolved so much lately."

I call this topic a rational one

So, are you trying to improve your own subjective decision model for yourself? Or for others?

Are you in the process of deciding on which camera to buy right now?

I have had 20 years of experience in teaching MCDA decision models on how to compare alternatives. And I have trouble fully understanding the rationality here. Perhaps it has something to do with pshychological rationality?

Market analysis should almost always assume market segmentation, which in decision models manifest itself in different models (regression trees, for example) and/or in different (or differently weighted) criteria and scenarios. There are (could be) group decision models as well.

Is your approach of rationality individualistic or collective? Who should be the stakeholder(s) of your (partial) decision model?

I apologise for being so direct,

-Tarmo

With all due respect, Tarmo.

If you get depressed by my opinion, which I certainly consider rational, and not romantic and against better judgment (like yours?), then you should just read the first 20 posts of this 2013 thread.
And what Roland Karlsson and Arvoy and Eric Fossum thought about Foveon.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3563904

The scientists saw Foveon as a dead end even then, I conclude this anyway.
We have been waiting for 4 years now for the FF Foveon sensor camera, the competition is getting better and stronger with their new technology every year, and so there are fewer and fewer potential buyers of this product. This is rational?

I think it is rational Jozef, even if Sigma just sells a few of them, because ultimate image quality matters, and I believe Sigma's 20 MP per layer sensor will be a stellar performer, especially once they perfect the raw processing for it, which may take a year or two (based on how long it took to get Quattro raw processing to where it is today).

I believe we will all fall in love with the image quality from the full-frame camera, but I believe Sigma will realize the images from it just won't doo for someone using an 8K screen, and eventually they will make a full-frame Quattro, which will be the resolution king, when it comes out. Imagine having a camera with a Quattro sensor just like the others, but full-frame? It would be amazing! Only a 100 MP medium format camera could match it, and in some ways it would even beat those. (i.e. telephoto and macro lens selection/options).

And I really hope the Sigma camera comes, just because it is such an interesting project ....

Jozef

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