Is the RF 24-50mm a serious threat for crop RF camera's?

thunder storm wrote:

KevinRA wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

I was wondering: Is the RF 24-50mm a serious threat for crop RF camera's? The R7 will be fine as a teleconverter the luxe, but the R10 and R50 might get some competition from used RPs and Rs flooding the second hand market to be paired with this very compact RF 24-50mm. The RF-s zooms are starting at 18mm (29ish equivalent), and the ef-m 15-45mm will never see future M bodies. A used R is only 1000 euro, and that price will even go down further in the future. That 24-50mm is 300 euro or so? 1300 euro. Who's buying an R10 or R50 with this kind of competition around?

So the R10 smokes the RP and R with controls and autofocus capability - and has the "reach" (OK some purist will correct me) also for telephoto work. Shooting CRAW and a fast card coupled with amazing eye tracking AF makes it a great action camera - kicking the R and RP,

And which fast focusing lens with an aperture sufficient to get fast shutter speeds for action shots still avoiding high ISO noise on those crop sensors did you have in mind to benefit from that great eye tracking AF of the R10 and R50? Is that lens also providing a DOF - on that crop sensor - so thin face AF isn't sufficient making eye AF an absolute need? And is that lens making eye tracking AF shine in the same price segment of that affordable crop body or rather 1.5, double or triple the price?

Fair comment - yes I am using quite pricy lenses with good AF and are wide aperture and then DXO Deep Prime these days.  The R10 has been my 2nd body to the R5 - and does very well in a field the R or particularly the  RP would struggle in - including birds in flight and other wildlife action - but equally sports too I would think.

Now I am not saying the R and RP are bad cameras - but these are not threat to the R10.  They are great for slower stuff and of course really shallow DoF - and the R great for landscapes etc, better than the R10 IMHO.

Different applications - hence my post linked to the original thread raised and no threat.

the latter is incredibly slow frames per second in servo mode. No joystick on either of those cameras either.

I hardly ever use the joystick on my R5 to be honest. Sometimes I prefer it over the touch screen, but often the touch screen works just as well if not better.

R50 I'd not buy personally though but YMMV.

Agree re wide angle on zooms - why canon went for 18-45 not 15-45 is a mystery. Long live the old M6II's in their retirement.

I've never used an 15-45mm on my M cameras anyway. I also don't care for the 24mm equivalent perspective so much, but I know a lot of shooters do.

For me 24mm is often the perfect wide angle - gets the full scene in and about the point beyond which any further wide angle tends to look more extreme. Hence a decent 15-45 a nice APSC lens.

I might just buy the 24-50 for my R5 though if I can get a cheap mint used copy or grey import separated from a kit if the IQ is good.

Yeah, same here. I don't care if I have to stop down till around f/7.1 or f/8.0 or so, but at that point I don't want to skimp too much on the IQ. The other option is the 28-60mm for my A7IV. Of just stick with the 24-70mm and the peak design capture.