The next Foveon camera?

Doppler9000 wrote:

tarmov wrote:

Doppler9000 wrote:

All Sigma has to do is achieve comparable success as it did with Merrill against other cameras at that time. Or comparable success with Quattro.

The other cameras are now much better, in ways that the market has dictated - better low-light performance, better AF, faster data transfer, better performance with ultra-wide lenses, better video performance, and/or higher resolution, etc.

The market has not dictated anything within the Foveon market niche. None of the Bayer cameras produce satisfactory outcomes for Foveon fans.

On what do you base your assertion? I find the output I get from Bayer-sensor cameras has taken away any need for Foveon-sensor cameras and their manifold downsides.

Low light is not a deciding factor in the Foveon niche market segment. Neither is AF or even data transfer or video performance.

Higher resolution is doable with Foveon. 8k Merrill or 10k Quattro in a full frame format.

This is what you want, it seems. We will see if it’s “doable” in a commercial sense.

Or even higher as a medium format.

Sigma has struggled for many years to make a full frame Foveon camera.

The pure stills market has 100 MP cameras with 33x44mm sensors with IBIS, pretty good AF, at <$6K.

That is medium format. And it ain't pretty at 8k TV screens, because of interpolation. Or, alternatively it might be pretty at 25MP, thus possibly smaller than a 27MP Merrill.

And the price of medium format cameras is quite high.

I wrote down the price for you - <$6k. Or, way less than the SD1 when it came out in 2011.

Given all of the things you don’t know, how, as an expert in decision analysis, can you make declarative statements like this?

If Sigma manages an 8k Merrill or a 10k Quattro in a full frame format, then either of those would be a success within its existing niche market segment.

For someone who claims rigorous decision analysis skills, you certainly make a lot of declarative assertions with no evidence and no logical support.

Based on what logic? Based on baseline set by Merrills and Quattros.

Sigma abandoned them some time ago. The world has changed, despite you refusal to see it.

Conclusion jumping is an inherently dangerous practice based on faith, no matter how much logic and evidence is cited. Even quoting experts does not reduce the chance for disaster. Will Sigma continue making cameras or not? Who knows? And we have not set any time limit.  Let's set an over under. Stick to five years.  We will look back at this post February 6 2028 and if sigma is still releasing foveon cameras, the over group wins. If sigma disbands their  foveon camera division before then, the under group wins. Place your bets

-Tarmo