What would the FFF have to do in order to be competative?

EEvan wrote:

dellaaa wrote:

Reading a recent post that included a 60M pixel Bayer sensor shot, the the discussion turned into a debate as to whether the FFF would ever arrive.

Looking at the Bayer photo what do you believe the FFF sensor would have to do better than the current generation of Bayer sensors? What are the design criteria the FFF design team have?

I don't know but given the physics of the design and the past Foveons, low light performance would most likely not be on par with the Bayer, agreed?

Historically, Sigmas have required extensive image processing both while taking the shot and afterwords (SPP). Will the FFF shoot at the frame rates of the current Bayers? Again, given the history, this seems doubtful.

So with low light and speed out of the equation, whats left, detail and color rendition.

As for detail, how would the specs of the proposed FFF stack up against the 60M plus Bayer sensors? Would the advantage in detail make up for the shortcoming?

The remaining design criteria, is color. Would Sigma's color rendition be enough for people to buy it?

I don't know and would like rational, opinions as just what will the FFF bring to the table, and why any non L mount people in 2023 would buy it when 100M pixel Bayers are on the horizon that take great low light picture at high frame rates.

At this point, fanboys aside, the fact that we are still discussing this seems a bit absurd to me, so why did I start this thread lol?.

To Be competitive:

1. It needs to be responsive with reasonable battery life

2. It needs to work with other editors out of the box

3. It needs to have a reasonable price.

The sheer image quality game now belongs to monsters like the GFX100s.

Some people just don't want an expensive, heavy, limited system, like the GFX. With 250mm as the longest lens available, the 100 MP Fujis just won't make good wildlife cameras, and with 20mm being the widest focal length available, Fuji just can't compete with the smaller full-frame cameras.

Don't get me wrong. I think Fuji's built a great system with good features in their cameras, and they've built a great system of lenses, but it's not L mount or E mount, and it seems like it never will be. It seems to me like Fuji's medium format system will always be bigger, heavier, and more expensive.

And the biggest advantage of Foveon sensors is they behave different. When every camera is converging in general quality, being different is enough of a differentiator to carve out a space.