What would the FFF have to do in order to be competative?

dellaaa wrote:

Hello dellaaa and the Sigma group

Reading a recent post that included a 60M pixel Bayer sensor shot, the the discussion turned into a debate as to whether the FFF would ever arrive.

Well, ya we all are.

Looking at the Bayer photo what do you believe the FFF sensor would have to do better than the current generation of Bayer sensors? What are the design criteria the FFF design team have?

Well, my SD1M and SDQ-H meet or exceed most of the Bayer IQ except for the FP. Sigma needs to step up and make a sensor that's better than a 100mp Bayer sensor. A camera that has all the class and style of a Leica M, like the SDQ with an L mount, faster AF, you know the rest.

I don't know but given the physics of the design and the past Foveons, low light performance would most likely not be on par with the Bayer, agreed?

Or better

Historically, Sigmas have required extensive image processing both while taking the shot and afterwords (SPP).

I like SPP it works excellent for me. I get things right in the camera like the old film days when I shot my Leica M4 and my Olympus M1 OM1 OM2 or Contax

Will the FFF shoot at the frame rates of the current Bayers? Again, given the history, this seems doubtful.

How many images do you need 1 or 50000. One excellent Image or 500000 junk ones? Some old story all the skippies want what they see on YouTube.

So with low light and speed out of the equation, whats left, detail and color rendition.

The Foveon will have all the that. You have to know what you want before you can get it.

As for detail, how would the specs of the proposed FFF stack up against the 60M plus Bayer sensors?

Hahahahahahahahah...........Your kidding right? Just the same way the SD series did. My SDQ-H matches my FP-L

Would the advantage in detail make up for the shortcoming?

What short comings? I've shot the Leica M11 it isn't like a new XYZABC camera so what short comings does it have?

The remaining design criteria, is color. Would Sigma's color rendition be enough for people to buy it?

The FP has the best IQ and color, matching the Leica so I tend to believe the new FFF will have the same color palette. Have you used a FP or SDQ-H???

I don't know and would like rational, opinions as just what will the FFF bring to the table, and why any non L mount people in 2023 would buy it when 100M pixel Bayers are on the horizon that take great low light picture at high frame rates.

My FP-L match anything the Bayers have right now, so I expect the new Sigma to match the Bayers or exceed them. I can do low light now and I'm not sure what you need a high frame rate for? How high? 50 FPS or more? Really for what?

At this point, fanboys aside, the fact that we are still discussing this seems a bit absurd to me,

Ya it is a little odd, but oh well

so why did I start this thread lol?.

Boredom?

I'm waiting for the show in Japan this month to see what happens. I have my escape planned.

Let hope for the best but expect???/

Roger J.