How substantial is the image quality difference between M50 and M6 markii?

R2D2 wrote:

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

MAC wrote:

But customers never learn. They will happily get the R10, think about lenses later on, locking themselves up in the third never complete Canon aps-c platform.

Well you’ll have to plop me in that “happily stupid/naive” category then!

I’ve recently been mentoring a budding photographer (high school student) and they wanted to upgrade the older Nikon DSLR they’ve been using for Photojournalism at school. I immediately recommended the Canon R10 + RF 18-150 kit as being the best fit for them in regard to its capabilities, cost, size, and future-proofing! (They spent their savings on it). Plus they now get a “teacher” who’s intimately familiar with the system.

Note: that last part about obsolescence is the only reason I didn’t recommend the M6ii to this youngster.

I also get to share a lens or two with them (RF 35/1.8 IS for starters, EF-S 55-250 IS in spring), so they’ll have a pretty good idea what direction they’ll want to head from here.

Personally, I really wouldn’t mind owning an R10 myself. It’s comfortable with great ergo and superb AF (DIGIC X). And I already own all the lenses I need for it! Hmmm 🤔

R2

and, and, (note I'm stuttering :)), here is the rub...could I recommend the m to a young budding pj -- probably, probably, not at this juncture.

Yup, a tough call. I know the M6ii is capable of doing everything that this youngster needs a camera to do, including shooting events and sports at school. In fact the cost differential could have meant an extra EF-M lens for them (not something to be taken lightly).

However that obsolescence factor for a brand new photogrpher (with decades of shooting ahead of them) is strong.

I figured it was best not to tie them to a system on its way out,

we shall see, but they sure haven't bridged the gaps yet to deep six it

and instead prepare them for the future, even if that meant paying a little more up front.

Storm has great experiences, is selling his, life is moving on

Well, Storm has always been in pursuit of the very best equipment in existence, and "good enough" just isn't in his vocabulary!

When Northrup also gives R10 the Camera of the year for 2022, support for m continues to peel away in the public.

I had my doubts early on, but getting to shoot the R10 certainly changed my mind about it. It absolutely shares the same DIGIC X lineage that makes its big brothers so capable.

OTOH those of us who have been shooting M (esp the M6ii) know that the combination of M6ii + 32mm f/1.4 + Spot AF + DxO makes it darn near undefeatable, just like the "Crane Kick" in The Karate Kid(dates us, doesn't it?! ). It'll remain our little secret here.

ahh, thanks for that, that crane kick was awesome

I tried to watch a sony video on different subject tracking setups and omg - it was like a foreign language.

Your BBall pics and Biking pics show us old timers we can do it too -- without spending high dollars on the latest and greatest AI.

That Siren Call of new tech is hard to resist though!

Birdshooter7 shows R10 and a good photog can take great bird shots including BIF - see thread in R forum. For me, I wouldn't invest in m for BIF or sports - the R3 like autofocus being placed into R7 and R10 is wrapping up the choice for high action to RF

Oh yes, BIFs definitely require a camera operating at the next level. I'm still comfortable shooting sports and action (even planes) with the M6ii tho. In fact I've had to reach to the R6 Mark II to get AF performance that comes close to the M6ii in keeper percentage.

interesting - AI continues to progress and R6II is the one I'd get if I needed it -- but I want more mpxl's than R6II has so my quest will have to wait

though, though, (stuttering again here :)) those that already know enough already for stills, are buying up reserves of m6II refurbs to have two and three m6II's to weather the storm, as DP Review's 2022 used and refurb camera of the year for ~$549 - crazy low prices

Bingo. Still nothing like it in RF-Land. I'd just love to see a new crop R body with the M6ii's form factor. I'd snap it up in a heartbeat!

The heartbeat will not be so fast for me, I don't buy into old in the tooth 24 mpxl tech anymore, and they need more small lenses like RF-s f1.4 lenses and a bright RF-s zoom to go with it

but if you are just starting out, and a budding jr pj, Canon is locking out older options with RF, to remain current, albeit with RF-s glass shortfalls at the moment (the superzoom kit is nice), R2's recommendation of the kit lens and RF 35 f1.8 for now will have to do for the newbie jr pj's.

'Storm has a good point of course. With the lock-out of 3rd party RF options, the average shooter will have to lean on established EF and EF-S lenses for the time being. Fortunately there are still a lot of them out there. And they'll perform even better than they ever have on these spankin' new bodies!

got to make it easier for old timers.  can't teach foreign languages to an old dog

In the meantime, I'll use the crane kick

R2