Ive been here too long, you have actualy said something I agree with.
My wife has a cheap Oly 350Z and takes nice pictures with it, just
point and shoot, if I put my D100 in P mode all auto she takes
lousy photos with it, I had the same problem for the first few
months of owning it I took mostly lousy pictures till I learned how
to use it or how to rescue pictures in PS.
Off topic a bit I know but for once you make sense
I wish it had an idiot mode on it which you could use till you
learn the ropes, I expect this forum would then be a bit quieter.
Hell I'm going to regret writing this when I pres enter.
Regards.
Brian.
expect, that it make normal pics without fooling around and learn
month to fit the deficit
=> see D100 it costs the most people a month to figure out how take
a pic in the quality of a 299,-- coolpixand then little by
little you make better pics and this is unacceptable, also for D2H.
normal quality should be just in AUTO-mode
better quality with learning is okay.
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a good AUTO-Mode is nothing spezial and make all happy the first month and then they can proceed there work little by little.
and there are different situations where we have no time too make manual-settings, just shoot and then a goot AUTO is also nice.
and there are different situations where we have no time too make manual-settings, just shoot and then a goot AUTO is also nice.
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...and the poster just "evaporates" from sight, I know why they posted. And let's just say that it isn't posted to provide valuable insight. I tend to question anything that individual posts in any future postings.
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marek k
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I guess you should expect to be able to get into a racing 911, ferrari enzo, maclaren F1 etc and run rings around Schumi and co on the track too?
Seriously Sotare, your last vestages of credibility (hey? Did you EVER have ANY?) are draining fast.
Of the SLRs you'd probably be most happy with a 300D (possibly the d70) as its defaults lend it to being a bit more like what you are requesting here. Contrasty, high sharpening, and strongly saturated shots. (generalising) The cams you are so consistenly slagging off put the post processing control in the hands of the photographer.
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Seriously Sotare, your last vestages of credibility (hey? Did you EVER have ANY?) are draining fast.
Of the SLRs you'd probably be most happy with a 300D (possibly the d70) as its defaults lend it to being a bit more like what you are requesting here. Contrasty, high sharpening, and strongly saturated shots. (generalising) The cams you are so consistenly slagging off put the post processing control in the hands of the photographer.
--expect, that it make normal pics without fooling around and learn
month to fit the deficit
=> see D100 it costs the most people a month to figure out how take
a pic in the quality of a 299,-- coolpix
little you make better pics and this is unacceptable, also for D2H.
normal quality should be just in AUTO-mode
better quality with learning is okay.
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brianf
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Bill,
I obviously did not make my point clear enough, or you completely missed it whichever it is I am not too bothered as I am perfectly happy with my D100 and am equally happy using my wifes Oly 350 both give very nice prints whithin their limitations. I do not expect 20 x 30 prints from the Oly but I would hope you already know this.
I see you can not accept anothers point of view which does not agree with yours without calling it whining so I will leave this conversation before it gets out of hand.
Regards.
Brian.
I obviously did not make my point clear enough, or you completely missed it whichever it is I am not too bothered as I am perfectly happy with my D100 and am equally happy using my wifes Oly 350 both give very nice prints whithin their limitations. I do not expect 20 x 30 prints from the Oly but I would hope you already know this.
I see you can not accept anothers point of view which does not agree with yours without calling it whining so I will leave this conversation before it gets out of hand.
Regards.
Brian.
My D1H makes "OK" images with all the defaults at Auto, except for
WB. I guess it wasn't worth the money either.
And please show me how good a 20x30 looks from the Oly you speak
of. I'll be it won't look the 20x30 on my wall, or those from the
likes of Ron Resnick either.
Different cameras for different uses. Either accept it or don't,
but stop whining about it.
Does your wife still make "lousy pictures" with your D100? Somehow
I doubt it when you get it out of "P" mode and have the settings
correct. I think there is a reason it is called "P" mode.
I hope you don't regret your posting, but if people don't want to
accept the differences, then they shouldn't buy the cameras.
--Ive been here too long, you have actualy said something I agree with.
My wife has a cheap Oly 350Z and takes nice pictures with it, just
point and shoot, if I put my D100 in P mode all auto she takes
lousy photos with it, I had the same problem for the first few
months of owning it I took mostly lousy pictures till I learned how
to use it or how to rescue pictures in PS.
Off topic a bit I know but for once you make sense
I wish it had an idiot mode on it which you could use till you
learn the ropes, I expect this forum would then be a bit quieter.
Hell I'm going to regret writing this when I pres enter.
Regards.
Brian.
expect, that it make normal pics without fooling around and learn
month to fit the deficit
=> see D100 it costs the most people a month to figure out how take
a pic in the quality of a 299,-- coolpix
little you make better pics and this is unacceptable, also for D2H.
normal quality should be just in AUTO-mode
better quality with learning is okay.
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com
Thanks Pete for the explanation. That is what has been bothering me. I was just telling Travis at the 300D Forum that his photo didn't look look 3D like other brands. There is no magic in Canon's CMOS, something lost for something gained.
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I would call you a moron but forum etequite says I shoudn't so I won't.
Have you ever shot a Lieca M3?, a Hassy?
Expensive tools in the hands of novices turn out the work of a novice. Is the user who is willing to spend to time to get the most out of a tool supposed to except the compromises that would have to be made to reach the results that you think are important?
I came to the conclusion that you should own a point and shoot a long time ago.
Go buy a Canon G3 and you will be happy evermore.
Quit bothering the folks who are interested in getting the best results out of their tools with you inane blather
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Have you ever shot a Lieca M3?, a Hassy?
Expensive tools in the hands of novices turn out the work of a novice. Is the user who is willing to spend to time to get the most out of a tool supposed to except the compromises that would have to be made to reach the results that you think are important?
I came to the conclusion that you should own a point and shoot a long time ago.
Go buy a Canon G3 and you will be happy evermore.
Quit bothering the folks who are interested in getting the best results out of their tools with you inane blather
--expect, that it make normal pics without fooling around and learn
month to fit the deficit
=> see D100 it costs the most people a month to figure out how take
a pic in the quality of a 299,-- coolpix
little you make better pics and this is unacceptable, also for D2H.
normal quality should be just in AUTO-mode
better quality with learning is okay.
Shad
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David Martin
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Pretty 'unusual'owner! 4 cameras, 2 Nikon and 2 Canon, and only been on dp 3 weeks!
To busy to join, I guess.
There might be some concerns about noise levels, with some unjudicious early commentary some months ago about revolutionary new low levels when the reality appears a little more mundane, but the bottomline is that the 2Dh is a great handling camera, and it will do the job for which it was designed just fine, but it's certainly good to give those who shoot with Nikon glass all they are going to need in a sports cam.
As regards the image quality, samples will doubtless improve as people get more familiar with the camera, and it is possible that there may be later firmware releases to further improve things.
So it'll do everything it is meant to do just fine, and may get better yet.
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Jolly Roger
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I'm way too busy shooting photographs that to dibble-dabble on here that often. I've been lurking on this forum for 2 years - just created an account to voice my concerns about the D2H. Some find it offensive or consider me a troll, but so be it.
Why do I have 2 Nikons and 2 Canons? Easy. Canons have better lenses. Nikons have better bodies. What does better bodies mean? Means that the Nikons are more user-friendly and changing the settings just make more sense.
I'm also grand-fathered into Nikon. My entire family uses Nikon and I have a good selection of equipment to use already.
But when I'm in situations that call for certain lenses that just aren't available from Nikon or a shooting event where I want a very very superior image I will pull out my Canon gear. I would have gotten a Canon 1Ds, but it's entirely way over-priced and the Canon 10D was nipping at its heals.
Although I have been considering using the Kodak 14N as a nice slow, low ISO landscape camera. The full frame would come in handy with sweeping wide-angle shots. But once a 12mm lens for Canon that comes out and has reasonable performance, the Kodak 14N will be a moot issue.
Why do I have 2 Nikons and 2 Canons? Easy. Canons have better lenses. Nikons have better bodies. What does better bodies mean? Means that the Nikons are more user-friendly and changing the settings just make more sense.
I'm also grand-fathered into Nikon. My entire family uses Nikon and I have a good selection of equipment to use already.
But when I'm in situations that call for certain lenses that just aren't available from Nikon or a shooting event where I want a very very superior image I will pull out my Canon gear. I would have gotten a Canon 1Ds, but it's entirely way over-priced and the Canon 10D was nipping at its heals.
Although I have been considering using the Kodak 14N as a nice slow, low ISO landscape camera. The full frame would come in handy with sweeping wide-angle shots. But once a 12mm lens for Canon that comes out and has reasonable performance, the Kodak 14N will be a moot issue.
Bill Dewey
Veteran Member
I probably did miss part of yours, my bad. My "whining" comment was not directed at you personally, in many ways I don't disagree with you at all. It was directed at the "Sotare's" of the world, who continually whine without ever actually doing anything. This class of camera, and the D100 is included as you have found out, were not created or targeted to provide that kind of "out of the box" experience as the consumer type cameras. That is one of the trade-offs we have to accept. Would it be nice if they had that? Sure, why not? But then again I don't think you will find "scene modes" on an F5 film camera either .
My apologies to you, unfortunately I got to your reply right after Sotareman, who has been whining about the D2H ever since it was announced.
I should not have made the comments the way I did, that was my bad.
However, I do stand by my 20x30 comment and the Oly. Of course I can't do that with my wife's Coolpix either, so I'll spread my "knock on consumer cam's" around a bit, right into my own house.
I hope that you do read this post, as an explanation, and to clarify a bit myself.
In the main, we probably are more in agreement than disagreement, and I'll bet that with minor training and you setting up the D100 your wife will make great images. Heck, my wife can with my D1H know as well, although I don't think she likes the weight.
As to acception of other points of view, take a look at my posting history and I think you will find otherwise. Unfortunately, as happens from time to time, my alligator $%^ overtakes my brain. When it does, I try to let folks know with an apology, which you deserve.
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.My apologies to you, unfortunately I got to your reply right after Sotareman, who has been whining about the D2H ever since it was announced.
I should not have made the comments the way I did, that was my bad.
However, I do stand by my 20x30 comment and the Oly
. Of course I can't do that with my wife's Coolpix either, so I'll spread my "knock on consumer cam's" around a bit, right into my own house.I hope that you do read this post, as an explanation, and to clarify a bit myself.
In the main, we probably are more in agreement than disagreement, and I'll bet that with minor training and you setting up the D100 your wife will make great images
. Heck, my wife can with my D1H know as well, although I don't think she likes the weight.As to acception of other points of view, take a look at my posting history and I think you will find otherwise. Unfortunately, as happens from time to time, my alligator $%^ overtakes my brain. When it does, I try to let folks know with an apology, which you deserve.
--I obviously did not make my point clear enough, or you completely
missed it whichever it is I am not too bothered as I am perfectly
happy with my D100 and am equally happy using my wifes Oly 350 both
give very nice prints whithin their limitations. I do not expect 20
x 30 prints from the Oly but I would hope you already know this.
I see you can not accept anothers point of view which does not
agree with yours without calling it whining so I will leave this
conversation before it gets out of hand.
Regards.
Brian.
My D1H makes "OK" images with all the defaults at Auto, except for
WB. I guess it wasn't worth the money either.
And please show me how good a 20x30 looks from the Oly you speak
of. I'll be it won't look the 20x30 on my wall, or those from the
likes of Ron Resnick either.
Different cameras for different uses. Either accept it or don't,
but stop whining about it.
Does your wife still make "lousy pictures" with your D100? Somehow
I doubt it when you get it out of "P" mode and have the settings
correct. I think there is a reason it is called "P" mode.
I hope you don't regret your posting, but if people don't want to
accept the differences, then they shouldn't buy the cameras.
--Ive been here too long, you have actualy said something I agree with.
My wife has a cheap Oly 350Z and takes nice pictures with it, just
point and shoot, if I put my D100 in P mode all auto she takes
lousy photos with it, I had the same problem for the first few
months of owning it I took mostly lousy pictures till I learned how
to use it or how to rescue pictures in PS.
Off topic a bit I know but for once you make sense
I wish it had an idiot mode on it which you could use till you
learn the ropes, I expect this forum would then be a bit quieter.
Hell I'm going to regret writing this when I pres enter.
Regards.
Brian.
expect, that it make normal pics without fooling around and learn
month to fit the deficit
=> see D100 it costs the most people a month to figure out how take
a pic in the quality of a 299,-- coolpix
little you make better pics and this is unacceptable, also for D2H.
normal quality should be just in AUTO-mode
better quality with learning is okay.
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com
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D.R. Barnhart
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could you please post some photos to back up what you've said? I'm always looking to learn more.
Thanks,
D.R.Barnhart
Bill Dewey
Veteran Member
Do you have this same complaint for the following cameras:
1. Hassleblad
2. Mamiya
3. Any view cameras
4. Phase One Digital Backs for MF cameras
5. Nikon F5
6. Canon Eos1D/V whatever the F5 equivalent is, sorry I don't know the Canon line
I could go one and make the list longer.
My point is simply this. These digital cameras have not been targeted to that market, any more than the list above has been. You can certainly say "I would like it to have", but unless you are consistent in knocking every camera over some particular pirce the same way, then I would like to know why the D2H is somehow special?
You have been complaining about this camera ever since it was announced. It does not matter how many times, and how many people, try to explaing the concept of "different tools for different jobs", you continue to complain and whine.
It was my bad in my reply to Brian, for which I have publicly apologized.
Now, how about showing us your consistency? And how you have attacked all these other manufacturers and pieces of gear the way you have the D2H?
Bill Dewey
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1. Hassleblad
2. Mamiya
3. Any view cameras
4. Phase One Digital Backs for MF cameras
5. Nikon F5
6. Canon Eos1D/V whatever the F5 equivalent is, sorry I don't know the Canon line
I could go one and make the list longer.
My point is simply this. These digital cameras have not been targeted to that market, any more than the list above has been. You can certainly say "I would like it to have", but unless you are consistent in knocking every camera over some particular pirce the same way, then I would like to know why the D2H is somehow special?
You have been complaining about this camera ever since it was announced. It does not matter how many times, and how many people, try to explaing the concept of "different tools for different jobs", you continue to complain and whine.
It was my bad in my reply to Brian, for which I have publicly apologized.
Now, how about showing us your consistency? And how you have attacked all these other manufacturers and pieces of gear the way you have the D2H?
--expect, that it make normal pics without fooling around and learn
month to fit the deficit
=> see D100 it costs the most people a month to figure out how take
a pic in the quality of a 299,-- coolpix
little you make better pics and this is unacceptable, also for D2H.
normal quality should be just in AUTO-mode
better quality with learning is okay.
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.co
MelissaM169251
Senior Member
I agree with Jonathan.
I don't own a Nikon however, I do own the Fuji S2 that sits on a Nikon body and love it and I am sure that the ones who purchased the D2H love it as well and found a need for it just like those who have Canons.
I think that it is unfair that Jolly Roger has come back to taunt everyone again just like he did with the post about pics of children and pets.
What I am trying to say is don't fall into his trap again. Let this go and enjoy your camera. Don't pay attention to this flamer. He always starts a fight. He is not worth your time typing a post. Keep in mind he wants you to.
Yes I have a Fuji but I would never knock someone and have never said anything bad about someones camera ever and I think it would be good practice for Jolly Roger if he would just let alone those who own other brands.
Rem. Keep you chin up D2H owners. You bought your camera. You spent the money on it. Not the Jolly Roger so ignore him. Skip his posts. He will only upset you not to mention taking up Phils space with rubbish....Melissa
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I don't own a Nikon however, I do own the Fuji S2 that sits on a Nikon body and love it and I am sure that the ones who purchased the D2H love it as well and found a need for it just like those who have Canons.
I think that it is unfair that Jolly Roger has come back to taunt everyone again just like he did with the post about pics of children and pets.
What I am trying to say is don't fall into his trap again. Let this go and enjoy your camera. Don't pay attention to this flamer. He always starts a fight. He is not worth your time typing a post. Keep in mind he wants you to.
Yes I have a Fuji but I would never knock someone and have never said anything bad about someones camera ever and I think it would be good practice for Jolly Roger if he would just let alone those who own other brands.
Rem. Keep you chin up D2H owners. You bought your camera. You spent the money on it. Not the Jolly Roger so ignore him. Skip his posts. He will only upset you not to mention taking up Phils space with rubbish....Melissa
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I remind you all the same situation happened with D100 (soft images
bla, bla, bla) but the D100 even now holds a better valuea than
other cameras. Even in the latest number of french magazine
Chasseurs d'Images (lots of Canon paid advertising) is aknowledget
the 10D's AF problem so, please, cut the brag about that (or at
least do it in the appropriate forum
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