It’s GONE!!! No more refurbished M6ii!!!

nnowak wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

Carl LaFong wrote:

Most likely most of them were bought up by people on this forum, who egged each other on

But if history is any guide, there will be more … sometime.

Sure, some of them were, but this time it feels different. This was a fire sale - 'dumping' of stock unlike anything we've seen before from Canon, and the end of the line for a lens mount, which hasn't happened for decades.

No, not at all. The massive "fire sale" was only on refurbished gear, and only on the Canon USA website. New M gear is just getting typical holiday discounts of $100 to $150. For example, the M6 II + 15-45mm + EVF kit is currently in stock at B&H and discounted only $100 to $999. Yes, Canon is phasing out the EF-M mount and yes, the M6 II is discontinued. However, M50 II and M200 options are still readily available, and none of the EF-M lenses have been discontinued.

Glad I snagged a refurb myself, netting three M6ii bodies over 2 years at a total price only a few hundred bucks higher than a single R7 body with nearly the same sensor and IQ.

There is a lot more to a camera than just the image sensor. The R7 can do things that are not possible with any number of M6 II bodies.

My point isn't about comparing which is better --- but about value for money. The M6ii is already an exceptionally capable camera, and I don't feel the need to move to a higher price point pair of bodies, not to mention the really sizable investment that would be required in lenses to replace my current set of native EF-M lenses. Not sure why you felt you had to comment on that.

Canon may not want cheap M options around, making people question why entry-level and APS-C R cameras are priced so high...

Why does this conspiracy theory continue to fester?

Conspiracy theory? Where did you get that from? This is basic sales and marketing 101. Canon has already proven this point by discontinuing the M6 Mark ii just before the R7 release so they wouldn't be offering customers a choice between a cheaper 32 MP camera that might undercut R7 sales. I've worked at many big companies, this is how things are done. Selling off old stock of M bodies seems like a pretty sure sign that new APS-C R bodies will be released, and signs are that they are likely to be at higher price points.

So far, there are only two RF-S lenses and they are the same price as the comparable EF-M versions. The R7 is on a level far beyond anything ever produced for the M system. Comparing the R7 to the M6 II solely on the fact they both contain 32mp sensors is just nonsense. The R10 is using a newer sensor and is far above the M50 II in capabilities. The R10 is more like a hypothetical M5 II, yet it is priced lower than the original M5. All of the rumors point to even lower priced crop R bodies and more RF-S lenses coming early next year.

Canon is not forcing people into purchasing more expensive gear.

True enough. Consumers have the choice to jump to other brands, and from reading posts on dpreview this is the route many are apparently taking.

Camera sales are now a fraction of what they were and Canon is trying to cut costs by consolidating the entire camera lineup under a single mount. It is simply about survival.

Time will tell. If Canon comes out with an M50ii replacement near the M50ii price point, plus a more extensive, M-like series of lenses for RF-S bodies at M-like pricing within the next year or two, your point will be proven. To get me to jump to RF-S, I'd need to see well-priced lenses comparable to the Siggy 16mm & 56mm f1.4, Canon EF-M 32mm f1.4, and some faster ultra-wides like the Laowa 9mm f2.8 or Roki 12mm f2. Having an R7 without that collection of lenses, I'd be handicapped trying to shoot much of what I can shoot today with the M6ii's.

For everyone's sake, I hope you are correct. Recent trends with Canon pricing, and locking out third party lenses from the R mount for 'survival' of the company don't give me the warm fuzzies, however.