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D Cox wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

D Cox wrote:

Roger wrote:

DavidWright2010 wrote:

D Cox wrote:

If I wanted a traditional camera with everything permanently attached, I would go for a Panasonic S5.

Don

Hi Don

I have a S1 and I had a loaner S5. The S5 wasn't what I was hoping for and the S1 is excellent but doesn't have the FP's IQ and it's really heavy.

I'm thinking about a Sony. Lots of Sigma E-mount lenses, and 61 MP.

David

Hi David

The FP-L has the same sensor as the Sony at a lower price. The new Sony looks like and probably is a Sigma FP-L with a grip and a viewfinder. It just cost 4 times more.

Roger J.

Yes, I think somebody at Sony got an fp L and said "We have to make a camera like this". I don't think they understood the design -- the whole point is to make a core sensor module with everything optional. Not with a fixed grip and viewfinder.

What would make a big difference would be a leaf shutter lens, like the one for the Pentax 67 medium format film camera (which had a very slow moving shutter).

Don

Don I understand what you're saying, but wouldn't Sigma be better off getting Sony to make a stacked 61 MP sensor just like the 50 MP sensor in the A1, because it would let them make a camera that can do 8K video, shoot with a faster electronic shutter, so they could offer it with a faster flash sync, no matter what L mount lens you use, and it would virtually eliminate rolling shutter affect, all in one upgrade. Then they wouldn't have to make any L mount lenses that are only compatible with their newest camera, and which can't work right with any other L mount camera?

(Sorry for making such a long sentence.)

I don't think Sigma's purchase orders from Sony are large enough for them to be able to specify custom designs.

I believe Sony would make a custom sensor for anyone . . . even me . . . as long as I would pay for it. Sigma would have to pay some money, and sign a contract to purchase a certain number of units over a certain period of time.

The sensor in the A1 is of course better, but an fp containing it would likely be too expensive for the market;

Why? I'm sure Sony would sell it to them for a little more than the 61 MP sensors they put in the fp L, and Sigma could make a camera with 8K capability, which they could sell for $3,499 each. It would be the cheapest and smallest full-frame camera that can do 8K.

If Sigma ordered a stacked 61 MP sensor I bet Sony would be happy to make it, because they could put it into their A7r VI, and they could make that camera their next camera that can do 8K video, but instead of being limited to 24 fps 8K they could make it do 30 or 60 fps 8K.

and Sony may in any case want to keep it for themselves for a while. No doubt things will progress over the coming years, provided there isn't a complete collapse of the world economy.

I don't understand your remark about lenses. People with Panasonic cameras seem to be happy using Sigma lenses.

Don

What I mean about the lenses is that if Sigma makes a set of lenses with leaf shutters in them, the only camera that will be able to actually use the leaf shutters is the new Sigma camera, which Sigma would have to make to put the lenses on. Therefore the lenses would not sell very well . . . until Panasonic or Leica make camera models which could activate the leaf shutters in those Sigma lenses, which might never happen, because there are so few of such lenses available, and those companies might not have any desire to make similar lenses.