old rebel with ef 20 f/2.8

KEG wrote:

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KEG wrote:

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Maxmolly7 wrote:

If the 2 new R bodies are going to be the roumered small bodies, then I expect many M owners to jump ship.

The ones who are too invested in EOS M (half a dozen EF-M lenses, say) won't jump until their cameras die or get to be too much trouble to use. The ones who bought EOS M as a small companion to a full-frame Canon camera collection (which I thought was Canon's original intention for EOS M when I bought mine) will only do so if the RF mount bodies are very much smaller and more attractive and keenly priced. Even then, they are likely to be well into EOS R before they make the move. I've been using EOS R for four years (mainly with EF lenses) and my two RF lenses are the ones which are most suited to crop mount but I'm still not tempted.

Quite a few people here have announced their intentions to buy an M6II instead. That's a camera I've always found too ambitious, big and expensive for what I want from EOS M,

M3: 111 x 68 x 44 mm (4.37 x 2.68 x 1.73″)

M6 mk I: 112 x 68 x 45 mm (4.41 x 2.68 x 1.77″)

M6 mk II: 120 x 70 x 49 mm (4.72 x 2.76 x 1.93″)

Not a huge difference and they are all tiny relatively speaking.

Still significantly bigger than my EOS M, M2, M10 and M100.

All 3 are smaller than the SX60 HS that I own, which is kind of remarkable fact in itself.

M6 mk II also seems to be almost to mm the same size as the Powershot G2 (121 x 77 x 64 mm (4.76 x 3.03 x 2.52″))

That's an awful lot bigger than my PowerShot S95 with the same sized sensor. My EOS R is 136 x 98 x 84mm with 22¼x the sensor area.

G2 also could use an external flash, that puts some lower limit on how small the camera can get.

So could the M, the M2 and the RX100 II. My real point is that RF-S is not the answer for those who are looking for a small companion to full-frame Canon cameras that the M series is. The crop format lens range will be more restricted (less incentive for fast lenses, third time around for crop lenses, more incentive for the ambitious to buy full-frame lenses), and the lenses necessarily slightly bigger at the mount than EF-M. The R7 is an EOS 7D II replacement, the R10 an 850D / 90D successor. What I really, really want is a 32Mpx M100.  But we're getting a long way off topic here.

I also think that the first G series where prototypes for the look and feel of the future Ms and Rs.

but you can see why they would do that, when you compare its price with the R7's. But the biggest stumbling block is the lenses. The widest lenses for the crop cameras are full-frame lenses. People talk about possible f/2.8 crop format zooms but the only one Canon ever made for stills cameras came out in 2006, six years before the EOS 6D. Its still in the catalogue but I think Canon learned a lesson from it. Crop format long lenses make little sense when Canon have more full-frame cameras than crop cameras using the same mount.

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