Canon EOS R10 - a pleasant surprise :)

KevinRA wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

It's the kind of camera that the M5 should have been. 80D sensor, great AF, no nonsense.

When the M5 came out - no camera had the advanced AF the R10 has - even the 1D series. The M6II AF would have been the best a M5II would have got at that time.

Fuji X-T2 predates it by several months and and X-T1 has awesome af system (after the 3rd firmware update.)

Now Canon is finally succeeding it's mirrorless 80D it's a bit late to the party imo. And if you like portraits (who doesn't?) the M50II has the huge advantage of being compatible to the ef-m sigma 56mm f/1.4.

+1. Come on canon - allow a RF Sigma 56m!

And the RF 35mm f/1.8 will give you f/2.8 56mm equivalent, being just too tight for a general walk around lens, and it's equivalent max aperture isn't very exiting either, especially for the price. The RF 24mm f/1.8 is even more expensive.

+1 These are prime lenses for full frame in in any value proposition - not attractive on RFS crop. Only vaguely useful one is the RF 16mm f/2.8 but I have the Sigma 16 f/1. for EFM.

Last not but least the stm AF of these lenses will hold back the AF performance of the camera. The fast focusing non L zooms aren't a great match to the typical high ISO performance of a crop camera when using shutter speeds typical for situations needing great AF. The L zooms are waaay too expensive for this budget camera.

To a point - that said I use albeit my EF L's on my R10 - and they work very very well. The deep (albeit narrow) grip working well.

For wide angle you'll need to adapt old ef-s lenses..... Finishing the mirrorless 80D for a new mount with only 2 crop lenses makes us wait even longer before we can shoot that mirrorless 80D with the glass it needs.

True - although I don't quite agree with the 80D analogy - only precise similarity really is 24MP, the same (albeit not crop) resolution of the R3 and R6II - which is plenty.

I still fail to see the headline of this camera. In combination with non L glass the AF advantage is gone.

True for wide angle. There are some good options for telephoto work already - the RF100-400 and RF 85 f/2 pair nicely for starters - as do the 600 and 800 primes if they are your thing. It pairs very nicely with lots of adapted EF lenses - for example the 60 macro, 55-250 STM or even in my view the EF 100-400 II.

If you're 80D + 18-135mm got broke and you don't shoot with other lenses and you're on a budget it makes sense to replace it with R10+18-150mm. If you want anything more than that I would go RP any day, as that one at least squeezes all the optical detail out of the non L RF lenses, while it sits around the same price. A used R is even more bang for the buck, and not a whole lot more expensive these days.

Different usage - poorer AF - slower frame rate (much slower on RP) - and no AF joystick - and the awful touch bar on the R. The R also has even worse rolling shutter. Also for tele work, the crop and higher pixel density works well too for more distant subjects. There is also evidence and Canon state that the sensor is not identical to the 80D - just like the R7 is not identical to the 90D. Particularly in Raw and DxO one can get great images from the R10 - and far more of an action camera than either the R or RP.

We just need more lenses - Canon or Third Party which work at wide and normal range. So for now, keeping my M series