Sell the R5 and get an R7 and R? Crazy?

Steve Fink wrote:

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

You cutting of my post is inaccurate. I'm not even going to try to decipher where you messed up, but you did, clearly attributed parts of someone's else's post to mine.

Sorry, I don't think anything was cut, but 3 extraneous lines were accidentally inserted. I can't edit the post now, but here is a corrected version.

And I reworded my response for clarity.

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Steve Fink wrote:

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

Sittatunga wrote:

mraifman wrote:

... For my bird photography, I find myself always using crop mode on the R5 and also wishing for more subject differentiation and nicer blurred backgrounds.

If you're always cropping your shots a lot, subject differentiation and nice blurred backgrounds are a function of the size of your lens aperture, not the size of the sensor. If the distances are the same and the focal length and aperture are constant, the geometry doesn't change, so the subject differentiation and background blur won't change, whatever the crop. You need a bigger aperture (in mm, not f/ number) to improve those things.

Absolutely. Switching camera bodies between R5 and R7 won't help at all with (1) depth of field; (2) out-of-focus background; (3) noise, or (4) high-ISO performance.

The R5 will not capture a single photon from the duck more than the R7 will.

The LENS, and the lens APERTURE (diameter) determine all of those properties. You don't switch camera bodies. You switch lenses.

He has a fast lens in the 300mm f2.8 and tried the 2x to make it 600mm f5.6. He didn't like the results.

If that's what he did, it's not surprising, is it? The 2x enlarges the image a lot, then the R7 samples the image at a very small interval that it wasn't designed for.

But I am just responding to the text I quoted.

However,BIF photography, which what the OP suggested they are, look at the R7 for the 1.6 crop factor reach, not the things you are suggesting.

Things I suggested? I didn't suggest any of this. The OP, MRaifman, specifically mentioned "subject differentiation and nicer blurred backgrounds", and noise.

And my reply is that all of this is determined by the lens, not the camera body. Changing the camera body between the R5 and R7 won't help at all with those for wildlife photography.

My 600mm on the R7 gives my a 960mm focal length equivalent, important because I can't move my feet for bird in flight. The same 600mm on the R5 gives you a 600 focal length. Hence, you get closer to the birds and require less cropping.

The lens won't get you any closer to the bird, but the R7 does get you more reach, as you pointed out.

DOF, bokeh are important but secondary.

Yes.