LEZ90
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Most of the post I’m comparing a £500 camera against a £1,200 phone.
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Is the new iPhone 14 pro max as good as a camera?
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Mackiesback
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And now you are comparing used prices to new.
Anything to justify his pre determined opinion before he wrote the first post. Very few comparisons from a “real camera” to a phone on this forum are done objectively. As anyone knows, the small sensor of a phone is fighting an uphill battle when compared to a full frame sensor. JT26 and a couple of others do actual objective comparisons. Honestly, I’m not sure why some of these people spend time in the mobile photography forum since their bias agains phones is so obvious.
The Point and Shoot Pro
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The bias is justified when people claim phone cameras are something they are not. I use my iPhone camera constantly. I have a true interest in mobile phone photography. Do I think my phone can replace my real cameras, NOT A CHANCE. Just because someone counters a certain viewpoint, using facts etc. They are a "troll", "hater", and "bias". NOT the case.......AT ALL!
The OP started out trying to justify his opinion by such ridiculous things as comparing a 400 mm lens to digital zoom on a phone camera. He also compared used camera prices to full retail price of the phone. You also have a 13 not a 14 Pro and there is quite a bit of difference between the 2. In many circumstances very few people can tell the difference between a 14 Pro and a “real camera” when viewed as most photos are these days. Of course pixel peepers and forum pros are always going to pick them apart. There are a few people here on the forum interested in honest comparisons but not pre formed opinion no weak attempts to justify that opinion.
The Point and Shoot Pro
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There are also people here who can clearly see the quality differences in phones vs real cameras, and when point out phone camera flaws, the phone lovers go ape S$%T
There is definitely a difference in a quality high res, full frame / aps c camera with a good lens, vs a phone, its significantly different.
Also, the control you have over the camera, image, method cant be replicated with a phone and I honestly dont see how it ever can be.
Will simulated Bokeh ever catch real bokeh? I cannot see it being possible.
Will I eve be able to take long exposures for minutes, with full computational photography that is as good as a real camera? I dont know, maybe not, but that is literally decades away if so.
When will we get the quality we have in the main camera, in the ultra wide and telephoto? 5 years plus probably.
Having said all that. The iPhone or any another quality flagship with a computational based high res mode is punching well above its weight. Super limited, yes, in terms of being resigned to the inbuilt decisions the phone makes, and the single 24mm focal length. But at that focal length, it absolutely smokes the RX100, V LUX, RX10, FZ1000 etc, or any other 1inch sensor camera. It is not close.
Also, you need to know how to process the files and get the best base file, and not allow apple to give you the junk JPG from the 48mp RAW.
Also, the control you have over the camera, image, method cant be replicated with a phone and I honestly dont see how it ever can be.
Will simulated Bokeh ever catch real bokeh? I cannot see it being possible.
Will I eve be able to take long exposures for minutes, with full computational photography that is as good as a real camera? I dont know, maybe not, but that is literally decades away if so.
When will we get the quality we have in the main camera, in the ultra wide and telephoto? 5 years plus probably.
Having said all that. The iPhone or any another quality flagship with a computational based high res mode is punching well above its weight. Super limited, yes, in terms of being resigned to the inbuilt decisions the phone makes, and the single 24mm focal length. But at that focal length, it absolutely smokes the RX100, V LUX, RX10, FZ1000 etc, or any other 1inch sensor camera. It is not close.
Also, you need to know how to process the files and get the best base file, and not allow apple to give you the junk JPG from the 48mp RAW.
Jostian
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lovely shots, its just the over processed look to details on closer inspection continues to beleaguer Apple, and others, and for that reason the shots look great on a small screen but, for instance the shot of the dog on the couch, there is absolutely no hair detail (just a water painting look) similar in the sunset with the 2 canoes, using loupe in gallery and its just a water painting look to detail. But yes the convenience of having a phone, camera, and computer in one is difficult to beat. Just wish Apple would dial back the heavy jpeg processing...Absolutely, because it is a camera people…as well as a phone and a computer, and it fits in your pocket. Look, here are images I recently took with the iPhone 14 pro max. I own a small ad agency and do lots of video and photography for a living, and have and extensively used full frame cameras. IMHO, the iphone 14 pro max is an amazingly good and convenient camera. So much so that, gasp, for the first time ever I recently took a long weekend trip and didn’t feel the need to take along any other photo gear. And this coming from a guy who shoots full frame raw and edits in LR. Anyone can pixel peek all they want, but that’s just ridiculous and a waste of time. The results speak for themselves.
The wide angle lens is surprisingly good
Quick edit in iphone app using the much maligned portrait mode. I think it came out great and only took a few minutes.
Bottom line, yes: absolutely the new iPhone pro max is as good as a camera. In fact better than most and 1 million times more convenient.
one last thought. Once you embrace the iphone camera system as a photo tool and learn about it and experiment with it, like you would with any camera, you can get incredible results.
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Leave it to Jostian and his loupe to pixel peep and throw in the same song 29th verse. Took him a while this time though.lovely shots, its just the over processed look to details on closer inspection continues to beleaguer Apple, and others, and for that reason the shots look great on a small screen but, for instance the shot of the dog on the couch, there is absolutely no hair detail (just a water painting look) similar in the sunset with the 2 canoes, using loupe in gallery and its just a water painting look to detail. But yes the convenience of having a phone, camera, and computer in one is difficult to beat. Just wish Apple would dial back the heavy jpeg processing...Absolutely, because it is a camera people…as well as a phone and a computer, and it fits in your pocket. Look, here are images I recently took with the iPhone 14 pro max. I own a small ad agency and do lots of video and photography for a living, and have and extensively used full frame cameras. IMHO, the iphone 14 pro max is an amazingly good and convenient camera. So much so that, gasp, for the first time ever I recently took a long weekend trip and didn’t feel the need to take along any other photo gear. And this coming from a guy who shoots full frame raw and edits in LR. Anyone can pixel peek all they want, but that’s just ridiculous and a waste of time. The results speak for themselves.
The wide angle lens is surprisingly good
Quick edit in iphone app using the much maligned portrait mode. I think it came out great and only took a few minutes.
Bottom line, yes: absolutely the new iPhone pro max is as good as a camera. In fact better than most and 1 million times more convenient.
one last thought. Once you embrace the iphone camera system as a photo tool and learn about it and experiment with it, like you would with any camera, you can get incredible results.
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The Point and Shoot Pro
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What he is saying is not wrong. You just don't like what he's saying. there is a big difference. Yes, when you start to enlarge iPhone (or insert any phone camera image), you get the "watercolor" effect. If you just use your computer or phone to look at these images they are crazy good. If you want to enlarge and print, there comes these limitations. Again, this is a fact. Again, just because you don't agree, does not make it wrong.Leave it to Jostian and his loupe to pixel peep and throw in the same song 29th verse. Took him a while this time though.lovely shots, its just the over processed look to details on closer inspection continues to beleaguer Apple, and others, and for that reason the shots look great on a small screen but, for instance the shot of the dog on the couch, there is absolutely no hair detail (just a water painting look) similar in the sunset with the 2 canoes, using loupe in gallery and its just a water painting look to detail. But yes the convenience of having a phone, camera, and computer in one is difficult to beat. Just wish Apple would dial back the heavy jpeg processing...Absolutely, because it is a camera people…as well as a phone and a computer, and it fits in your pocket. Look, here are images I recently took with the iPhone 14 pro max. I own a small ad agency and do lots of video and photography for a living, and have and extensively used full frame cameras. IMHO, the iphone 14 pro max is an amazingly good and convenient camera. So much so that, gasp, for the first time ever I recently took a long weekend trip and didn’t feel the need to take along any other photo gear. And this coming from a guy who shoots full frame raw and edits in LR. Anyone can pixel peek all they want, but that’s just ridiculous and a waste of time. The results speak for themselves.
The wide angle lens is surprisingly good
Quick edit in iphone app using the much maligned portrait mode. I think it came out great and only took a few minutes.
Bottom line, yes: absolutely the new iPhone pro max is as good as a camera. In fact better than most and 1 million times more convenient.
one last thought. Once you embrace the iphone camera system as a photo tool and learn about it and experiment with it, like you would with any camera, you can get incredible results.
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Mackiesback
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Do we have to quote the same set of images over and over? How do you guys edit photos when you cant be bothered to edit quotes?
creativestat
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Amen. @mackey1001 Those are great shots that highlight what the phone camera is capable of, especially the one out of the airplane window. I usually don't respond to such ridiculous posts, but what bothered is the way the original question was posed: "Is the new iPhone 14 pro max as good as a camera?" Probably phrased that way on purpose. Admittedly it did get a lot of attention. Most people (even on this forum I dare say, and myself included) can take photos all day long with a Leica Q whatever or Hasselblad or latest Sony wonder camera and I guarantee a competent photographer/artist will take more intriguing photos, with much better composition, subject matter, focal point, lighting, and artistry with the "real camera" on this phone.iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max are great tools for photography. Does it do everything great, or better than “real” cameras? Duh, no. But it can be “the camera you always have with you,” so there’s that.
Will it replace my “real” camera, no. Not without a bigger sensor and wider zoom range, and the other features of the bigger camera.
But with third party apps, and some quick editing of Raw files in the free Mobile Lightroom, I’m actually quite pleased and impressed with what it can do. And “might” replace the second camera I carry along with the main camera. Btw, how many of you actually print large photos anyway, on a regular basis? And how many of you do this for the income as a pro? I’m guessing a very low percentage.
Couple of recent iPhone 14 Pro 48 MP images from raw, taken using ProCam 8, converted in Mobile Lightroom with about 1 minute of editing each, and saved to 48 MP JPEGs.
(not sure if I’m imagining things, but the way the original size images display in dpreview, doesn’t seem to look as good as the images I uploaded?)
The Point and Shoot Pro
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Says the person who quoted said pictures as well. If you want to get a person's attention without quoting, You can use @mackiesback to help that. Or, reply to thread. either will work fine.
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Mackiesback
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Just above I replied to the thread, I did not quote. I may have quoted pages ago, not gonna scroll all 7 pages to look. Point being, when a couple people are going back and forth arguing about the validity of cell phones vs ILCs, it gets pretty annoying to see the same long set of images 3 posts in a row.
But you probably knew that.
The Point and Shoot Pro
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I do now. Ha ha!
As the writer said using a loupe or pixel peeping is ridiculous. A very small percentage of viewers ever view an image on anything but a phone or tablet. You guys and your pixel peeping on the mobile forum must be really bored.What he is saying is not wrong. You just don't like what he's saying. there is a big difference. Yes, when you start to enlarge iPhone (or insert any phone camera image), you get the "watercolor" effect. If you just use your computer or phone to look at these images they are crazy good. If you want to enlarge and print, there comes these limitations. Again, this is a fact. Again, just because you don't agree, does not make it wrong.Leave it to Jostian and his loupe to pixel peep and throw in the same song 29th verse. Took him a while this time though.lovely shots, its just the over processed look to details on closer inspection continues to beleaguer Apple, and others, and for that reason the shots look great on a small screen but, for instance the shot of the dog on the couch, there is absolutely no hair detail (just a water painting look) similar in the sunset with the 2 canoes, using loupe in gallery and its just a water painting look to detail. But yes the convenience of having a phone, camera, and computer in one is difficult to beat. Just wish Apple would dial back the heavy jpeg processing...Absolutely, because it is a camera people…as well as a phone and a computer, and it fits in your pocket. Look, here are images I recently took with the iPhone 14 pro max. I own a small ad agency and do lots of video and photography for a living, and have and extensively used full frame cameras. IMHO, the iphone 14 pro max is an amazingly good and convenient camera. So much so that, gasp, for the first time ever I recently took a long weekend trip and didn’t feel the need to take along any other photo gear. And this coming from a guy who shoots full frame raw and edits in LR. Anyone can pixel peek all they want, but that’s just ridiculous and a waste of time. The results speak for themselves.
The wide angle lens is surprisingly good
Quick edit in iphone app using the much maligned portrait mode. I think it came out great and only took a few minutes.
Bottom line, yes: absolutely the new iPhone pro max is as good as a camera. In fact better than most and 1 million times more convenient.
one last thought. Once you embrace the iphone camera system as a photo tool and learn about it and experiment with it, like you would with any camera, you can get incredible results.
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1. Yes - and were you actually using the 48 mp raw?
2. 15 x digital - this is really not a good comparison. You can't compare to a real telezoom.
3. "it looks poor compared to a real camera." Really? Your comparison to the Lecia Q2 did not seem THAT far off. I have a Q1 and I'm shocked. Of course, the Q2 is better - it's a bloody Leica full-frame super expensive amazing camera with crazy good ergonomics. It's one of the best out there. I am shocked by how small the gap is though. That's the story.
WoodWorks
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Fixed it for ya.
creativestat
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Thank you all for your responses. I agree with everyone here. Hands down though, you just can’t beat the ratio of convenience to quality (or is it quality to convenience), that the iPhone 14 Pro delivers. Dedicated systems (even small ones like the Ricoh GR) don’t even come close, especially considering just how close the quality of the photos from the phone comes to a dedicated camera when you actually bother to shoot in raw and edit properly. Just the fact that we can now do that is a gift. Honestly, on vacations or other non-paid or very specific shooting events (bird watching or sports for example) I don’t even miss taking along dedicated gear anymore. The only thing I miss, maybe a little is the true bokeh achievable with large aperture lenses. When you add everything you get in such a tiny package (the decent wide angle lens, the “will do in a pinch” tele, the amazing HDR 4k stabilized video, and that we now even have control of the shutter speed to get smooth water effects and wow, it’s downright revolutionary). And don’t forget, you can even add gray grad and polarizing filters and anachromatic lens for video that fits in your other pocket. How can you NOT recognize how amazing that is?What he is saying is not wrong. You just don't like what he's saying. there is a big difference. Yes, when you start to enlarge iPhone (or insert any phone camera image), you get the "watercolor" effect. If you just use your computer or phone to look at these images they are crazy good. If you want to enlarge and print, there comes these limitations. Again, this is a fact. Again, just because you don't agree, does not make it wrong.Leave it to Jostian and his loupe to pixel peep and throw in the same song 29th verse. Took him a while this time though.lovely shots, its just the over processed look to details on closer inspection continues to beleaguer Apple, and others, and for that reason the shots look great on a small screen but, for instance the shot of the dog on the couch, there is absolutely no hair detail (just a water painting look) similar in the sunset with the 2 canoes, using loupe in gallery and its just a water painting look to detail. But yes the convenience of having a phone, camera, and computer in one is difficult to beat. Just wish Apple would dial back the heavy jpeg processing...Absolutely, because it is a camera people…as well as a phone and a computer, and it fits in your pocket. Look, here are images I recently took with the iPhone 14 pro max. I own a small ad agency and do lots of video and photography for a living, and have and extensively used full frame cameras. IMHO, the iphone 14 pro max is an amazingly good and convenient camera. So much so that, gasp, for the first time ever I recently took a long weekend trip and didn’t feel the need to take along any other photo gear. And this coming from a guy who shoots full frame raw and edits in LR. Anyone can pixel peek all they want, but that’s just ridiculous and a waste of time. The results speak for themselves.
The wide angle lens is surprisingly good
Quick edit in iphone app using the much maligned portrait mode. I think it came out great and only took a few minutes.
Bottom line, yes: absolutely the new iPhone pro max is as good as a camera. In fact better than most and 1 million times more convenient.
one last thought. Once you embrace the iphone camera system as a photo tool and learn about it and experiment with it, like you would with any camera, you can get incredible results.
Jostian
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ah shame, Pstmstr hating again, I just don't grasp why you hate the truth so much... other flagships suffer from over cooking jpegs too, to a more or lesser degree, this isn't an Apple only thing. Looking forward to the 30th verse, if the facts are the same!Leave it to Jostian and his loupe to pixel peep and throw in the same song 29th verse. Took him a while this time though.lovely shots, its just the over processed look to details on closer inspection continues to beleaguer Apple, and others, and for that reason the shots look great on a small screen but, for instance the shot of the dog on the couch, there is absolutely no hair detail (just a water painting look) similar in the sunset with the 2 canoes, using loupe in gallery and its just a water painting look to detail. But yes the convenience of having a phone, camera, and computer in one is difficult to beat. Just wish Apple would dial back the heavy jpeg processing...Absolutely, because it is a camera people…as well as a phone and a computer, and it fits in your pocket. Look, here are images I recently took with the iPhone 14 pro max. I own a small ad agency and do lots of video and photography for a living, and have and extensively used full frame cameras. IMHO, the iphone 14 pro max is an amazingly good and convenient camera. So much so that, gasp, for the first time ever I recently took a long weekend trip and didn’t feel the need to take along any other photo gear. And this coming from a guy who shoots full frame raw and edits in LR. Anyone can pixel peek all they want, but that’s just ridiculous and a waste of time. The results speak for themselves.
The wide angle lens is surprisingly good
Quick edit in iphone app using the much maligned portrait mode. I think it came out great and only took a few minutes.
Bottom line, yes: absolutely the new iPhone pro max is as good as a camera. In fact better than most and 1 million times more convenient.
one last thought. Once you embrace the iphone camera system as a photo tool and learn about it and experiment with it, like you would with any camera, you can get incredible results.
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