Re: You're not imagining things
Zeee wrote:
Digital Nigel wrote:
Zeee wrote:
Digital Nigel wrote:
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CrisL wrote:
Zeee wrote:
Digital Nigel wrote:
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Docno wrote:
Digital Nigel wrote:
logatom wrote:
Hi,
Great output from DxO, but obviously it's not coming from the RAW files you linked to. Would you please share the correct file, if possible?
Sorry for the incorrect link — this is the correct file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sm5eqr025xs9bei/RX604368%20Temple%20of%20Saint%20Sava%2C%20Belgrade.ARW?dl=0
This is what I get. I processed the Raw in the standalone and noticed, with default settings, the output was about the same as what you got. Then I tried it using the Photoshop plugin. Interestingly, Photo AI defaulted to 'Strong' noise reduction, which I think is what was causing the result you got. I switched this to standard (light, or whatever the weaker version is), and I got a much better outcome. I then did a simple (auto) contrast/brighten. What do you think?

This is what I got with Photo AI opened from LrC as a plug-in and edited as RAW.

I've compared these two attempts with PL6 and my original PAI stand-alone:
Four-way comparison: Docno's version is soft and lacking in detail, Zeee's version is over-sharpened and full of ugly artefacts (look at the saints' faces). The three Photo AI versions can't even agree on colour.
Even with the help of PS and/or LR, Photo AI still can't produce the same quality as PL6 does alone, quickly and easily. There's less detail and/or more artefacts in all the Photo AI versions.
I'm seeing better detail in Photo AI however I when it came back to LrC sharpening was at the default of 40. I added a little texture and exported at screen high. I most likely pushed it a little too much which likely added some artifacts. Easily controllable.
I don't thinks so , from my test I see PAI cannot distinguish texture/ true details and noise so even with Strengh=1 it's removing a lot of texture/true details and I don't thing anything can recover what disappeared .
Looking at the glass dome I see better detail.
Artefacts are not detail. Look at the saints' faces to see some really ugly artefacts in your version. That just doesn't happen with PhotoLab.
I have a 5K screen and I do not see any artefacts in the dome, just more contrast. Yes I agree some of faces are a little rougher but I was very aggressive in sharpening. I just wanted to see what it could do. All I know is it does not look like mush compared to previous posts. That was significant difference.
I think I prefer mush to ugly artefacts!
Not me but your example was not the best.
For good or bad, it's what stand-alone Photo AI produced from the raw file. I never said it was good (it obviously is not), let alone the best, which is clearly the PL6 result.
I was responding to people who claimed that Photo AI was a good way of processing raw files. Clearly it's not. But at least the 'mushy' stand-alone PAI version didn't have the artefacts your version has.