sgangker wrote:
nnowak wrote:
rz64 wrote:
nnowak wrote:
thunder storm wrote:
A used R is around 1000 euro these days. If you do some creative shopping with third party EF occasions you can get a whole lot of IQ for your buck. I got a used Tamron 17-35mm f/2.8-4.0 for only 310 euro, and a Sigma 100-400mm Contemporary for only 450 euro and a Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art for only 350 euro. These prices are M territory, while the IQ is definitely a whole lot better.
We might also see the R6mkI come down in price, especially used ones. If you pair it with an RF 24-240mm USM and one or two primes it's more expensive than M, but it's good value for money imo.
Not everybody needs a stabilized 135mm. The Sigma Art is half the price, and if it's IQ isn't good enough for you..... you're beyond my level of pixel peeping.
Yes RF is expensive, but there are ways to keep those prices more down to earth making it still value for money.
That said it's a shame of course Canon is killing M. Canon isn't killing it because it's not capable. Canon kills M because it's too capable for it's price. Without the killing of M the R10 and that odd 18-45mm couldn't simply survive. Canon wants you to pay more for getting less, and this is how they do it.
I was with you until you got to the conspiracy theories. Reality just does not agree with you. On the Japanese BCN rankings, the M50 and M50 II have been in the top 5 for multiple consecutive years. That was until the R10 was launched. The R10 has now been in the top 5 for the last two months and the M50 II has not. This was all well before any rumors of the M50 II being discontinued. Canon killing off the M system has nothing to do with protecting expensive RF gear and everything to do with it no longer being economically feasible to support multiple incompatible mounts. Canon is now selling about one quarter of the number of cameras they did in the past. It only makes sense that the camera lineup would also be about one quarter of what is was in the past.
While you may not personally like the R10, it is all-around more capable than the M50 II and appears to be well received by the masses. The RF-S lens lineup does look quite paltry, but so was the EF-M lineup at launch in 2012 The 11-22mm did not launch until a year later and was not sold in the USA until three years after the launch of the M system (2015). It took Canon six years to launch the eighth lens, the 32mm f/1.4. RF-S is not even at the 6 month mark yet. At least the R10 and R7 have native full frame RF options available instead of resorting to adapting the EF 50mm f/1.8 or EF 35mm f/2.0 IS like so many had to do with the M system.
I would indeed support the opinion of thunder storm: "Canon kills M because it's too capable for its price".
It is you who is - once more - spreading conspiracy theories. Where does your conclusion, that the R10 "appears to be well received by the masses", come from? Just because it has been in the top 5 "for the last two months"?
The point, which you seem to have missed is that even though the R10 might not be appealing to current M users, people are buying the R10
What should be the reason to buy the R10? Because of two mediocre zoom lenses?
It is Canon's cheapest camera with full sensor oversampled 4k and DPAF. Paired with the RF 100-400mm is it one of the cheapest options for long reach. The design is very familiar to an existing DSLR user while offering significant improvements over a DSLR. It is built using a mount that Canon is dedicated to supporting long term. Want more?
Where are comparable (to EF-M) native RF-S lenses? If they will come, it will be as thunder has written: "Canon wants you to pay more for getting less".
It took Canon six years to get to a total of eight M lenses. RF-S is not even six months old. The two RF-S lenses that have launched are at the same price as the comparable EF-M lenses.
I agree that the R10's main target group is not the M users. My guess is that it is more targeted at the existing 'rebel' users who need an upgrade path (or exit path). These users are able to use their existing EF or EF-S lenses via adapter. Therefore, there is no immediate concerns on the lack of RF-S lenses for them.
Exactly. I don't know about 2022, but every year prior, Canon has sold more DSLRs than M system cameras (a lot more).
I think Canon will eventually come out with some more RF-S lenses but it will be another long wait (probaly another six years). In the meantime, M users can still continue to enjoy their gears until there is a need to upgrade.
Since the RF-S 18-150mm is just a repackaged EF-M 18-150mm, Canon may move a bit quicker on other lenses since they can reuse much of the existing EF-M designs. If the rumors are correct about the upcoming R100 being tailored for vlogging, it would make sense to launch it alongside a repackaged 11-22mm and possibly 22mm pancake.
