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Does anyone have an opinion on the state of the E-20 vs. the Canon digital Rebel?

Does the newer rebel provide more back for the buck?

I'm looking into another upgrade and i'm not quite sure whether i should select the E20 or get the Rebel???

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  • Vince
 
DRebel has bigger sensor, more megapixels, less noise, less accuracy of color response,less satbility because violent mirror vibration, no possibility to control flash, possibility of interchangable lenses, more dust on the sensor, more capability in dark rooms, worse viewfinder, heavy lenses, paper-light body, plastic feeling, fast operation.

On the other hand E 20 is noisy, bad capability in darkness, better color response in lightness, good body, only one - but good - glass, no dust on sensor, capability of flash control, very slow operation, better but not really good viewfinder. Not really "modern" camera, but good feeling in the hand.
regards
Peter A.

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P.A. Olympus E-20, FL-40, Hoya filters http://w3.enternet.hu/paczel

 
what would you pick if there were only a $200-300 difference in price?

i'm saying only b/c when we're talking about investing about $800-$1,000 on an upgrade a few hundred should be the issue when you plan to stick with the unit for at least 2-3 yrs, right?
  • Vince
Peter Aczel said:
DRebel has bigger sensor, more megapixels, less noise, less
accuracy of color response,less satbility because violent mirror
vibration, no possibility to control flash, possibility of
interchangable lenses, more dust on the sensor, more capability in
dark rooms, worse viewfinder, heavy lenses, paper-light body,
plastic feeling, fast operation.
On the other hand E 20 is noisy, bad capability in darkness, better
color response in lightness, good body, only one - but good -
glass, no dust on sensor, capability of flash control, very slow
operation, better but not really good viewfinder. Not really
"modern" camera, but good feeling in the hand.
regards
Peter A.

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P.A. Olympus E-20, FL-40, Hoya filters http://w3.enternet.hu/paczel

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  • Vince
 
FFR-

I am a former E-10 owner and have been using the 10D since it released. I was very fond of the E-10 and am even more fond of the 10D.

Between your two choices, I would choose the E20. Add the E-10 and I would choose that.

I prefer the E-10 to the E-20.

Feel free to email me.

GageFX
Funky Fat Rat said:
i'm saying only b/c when we're talking about investing about
$800-$1,000 on an upgrade a few hundred should be the issue when
you plan to stick with the unit for at least 2-3 yrs, right?
  • Vince
Peter Aczel said:
DRebel has bigger sensor, more megapixels, less noise, less
accuracy of color response,less satbility because violent mirror
vibration, no possibility to control flash, possibility of
interchangable lenses, more dust on the sensor, more capability in
dark rooms, worse viewfinder, heavy lenses, paper-light body,
plastic feeling, fast operation.
On the other hand E 20 is noisy, bad capability in darkness, better
color response in lightness, good body, only one - but good -
glass, no dust on sensor, capability of flash control, very slow
operation, better but not really good viewfinder. Not really
"modern" camera, but good feeling in the hand.
regards
Peter A.

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P.A. Olympus E-20, FL-40, Hoya filters http://w3.enternet.hu/paczel

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  • Vince
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.....Terry Alexander's gallery at:

http://www.pbase.com/terdonal

Terry has both an Exx and a D Rebel. He takes outstanding pictures with both and has several of them posted on his Pbase Gallery.

Terry posts here and in the Canon forum as terdonal. You might search for some of his posts here as well.

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Phil A

Photography is an art of illusion, capturing reflections of reality and putting them on paper to create a mood.



E-20, TCON-314, lens hood, on old rifle stock with external battery pack and RM-CB1

Photo-Art by J. Phil Arnold -- http://www.jphilarnold.com
 
I just made the jump for the E-20 to the Canon 10D. So far results have been good. Coming from the E-20, (and one of the reasons I switched)-- the write times are amazing to me, even with a standard (not high speed) CF card. I do plan to keep my E-20 as a backup. Looking back at some of my E-20 pics, the Oly is certainly capable of taking really great pics. I think if you have not experienced and E-20, you need to handle it and more importantly, bring a CF card with you to experience the write times first hand. Depending on the type of shooting that you do, this might be the deciding factor. The buffer holds (4) images, and you can shoot your next shot as soon as one clears to the card, but boy it can be agonizingly slow at times and I have missed a number of shots during the waiting process.
Funky Fat Rat said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the state of the E-20 vs. the Canon
digital Rebel?

Does the newer rebel provide more back for the buck?
I'm looking into another upgrade and i'm not quite sure whether i
should select the E20 or get the Rebel???

--
  • Vince
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since the 300D has a changeable lens, do you consider dust on the sensor to be a really big deal?
GageFX said:
I am a former E-10 owner and have been using the 10D since it
released. I was very fond of the E-10 and am even more fond of the
10D.

Between your two choices, I would choose the E20. Add the E-10 and
I would choose that.

I prefer the E-10 to the E-20.

Feel free to email me.

GageFX
Funky Fat Rat said:
i'm saying only b/c when we're talking about investing about
$800-$1,000 on an upgrade a few hundred should be the issue when
you plan to stick with the unit for at least 2-3 yrs, right?
  • Vince
Peter Aczel said:
DRebel has bigger sensor, more megapixels, less noise, less
accuracy of color response,less satbility because violent mirror
vibration, no possibility to control flash, possibility of
interchangable lenses, more dust on the sensor, more capability in
dark rooms, worse viewfinder, heavy lenses, paper-light body,
plastic feeling, fast operation.
On the other hand E 20 is noisy, bad capability in darkness, better
color response in lightness, good body, only one - but good -
glass, no dust on sensor, capability of flash control, very slow
operation, better but not really good viewfinder. Not really
"modern" camera, but good feeling in the hand.
regards
Peter A.

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P.A. Olympus E-20, FL-40, Hoya filters http://w3.enternet.hu/paczel

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  • Vince
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  • Vince
 
Phil Arnold said:
.....Terry Alexander's gallery at:

http://www.pbase.com/terdonal

Terry has both an Exx and a D Rebel. He takes outstanding pictures
with both and has several of them posted on his Pbase Gallery.

Terry posts here and in the Canon forum as terdonal. You might
search for some of his posts here as well.
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I agree. Terry having used both of these cameras (and uses them well I might add), is probably a very good source for advice.
Peter also summed the differences very well.

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markE
'Walk softly, and carry big glass'
pbase supporter

'In wildness lies the preservation of the world.'
-Henry David Thoreau
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke/gallery/wingsoflight

 
I might as well chime in here, I have an E-20 & looked hard at the DRebel. Go & handle both cameras & shoot some snaps, take them home & look at them. They truly are different beasts and remember you are comparing 2 entirely different cameras with the E-20/E10 being over 2 years old. If you go the E route make sure you are aware of the quirks of the E and you will not be frustrated by them but if you need to shoot high iso then the choice is much simpler. Also the choice of glass available for the Canon product could sway you also, can't remember what type of shooting you are planning to do. Terry, as has been mentioned, as well as Paul another member of our group are getting tremendous results with the DR but you'll be buying some glass so keep that in mind...you'll be buying into a system.

Just a little more food for thought....I do like the Canon product and will probably go for 10D myself if I make a move. Also Nikon is suppose to announce their response/camera to the DR if that means anything to you.

Cheers, Bill
markE said:
Phil Arnold said:
.....Terry Alexander's gallery at:

http://www.pbase.com/terdonal

Terry has both an Exx and a D Rebel. He takes outstanding pictures
with both and has several of them posted on his Pbase Gallery.

Terry posts here and in the Canon forum as terdonal. You might
search for some of his posts here as well.
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I agree. Terry having used both of these cameras (and uses them
well I might add), is probably a very good source for advice.
Peter also summed the differences very well.

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markE
'Walk softly, and carry big glass'
pbase supporter

'In wildness lies the preservation of the world.'
-Henry David Thoreau
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke/gallery/wingsoflight

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Bill Wallace
dpreview & pbase supporter
http://www.pbase.com/papa51
 
Scott Larson said:
Doesn't the Digital Rebel support ETTL flash metering just like the
rest of Canon's SLRs?
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It supports ETTL flash metering. But you cannot reduce flash exposition for example using fill flash. (On E-20 or on 10D you can reduce flash force in 1/3 EV steps.)

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P.A. Olympus E-20, FL-40, Hoya filters http://w3.enternet.hu/paczel

 
As far as I see the responses here talk about Canon 10D. But the question was E-20 vs 300D (Dig.Rebel). Great difference!

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P.A. Olympus E-20, FL-40, Hoya filters http://w3.enternet.hu/paczel

 
The E cameras are too old now. Their limitations are becoming a chasm when compared to new cameras.

The Canon will give much better images and is more versatile.

On the other hand, if you become a maniac, your lenses will start to add up and you will eventually sell the body for the latest 10d offering, if for nothng else than a better balance between body and lenses.

On the other hand, and you do have two, there are millions of people who use cameras with plastic bodies and who do not buy expensive new lenses like there is no tomorrow.

So I think the real question is not Exxx or Canon/Nikon etc, but which Cnaon Nikonetc body.

http://www.waddo.net

Keith
 
keef said:
The E cameras are too old now. Their limitations are becoming a
chasm when compared to new cameras.
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keef said:
Greg wrote:

I have to disagree with this assessment. I am, and have been a huge Canon fan for many years, but I also own an E20 which I love. Yes, it's slow writning files to the card, but what kind of shooting does a person do. If your wanting to shoot sports or model photography, don't buy the E20. If you shoot portraits, landscape, macro, still life, nature, etc. it's a great camera at a great price. How often do you need to fire off more than four shots in rapid succession? It's built with professional quality, and the lens is super -- even with the tele conversion lens for a whopping $160 you're looking at a 35mm equivalent 200mm, f2.4 lens. I'm sure the Canon Rebel is a good quality camera, but it's not built as well as the E20, and you're looking at reasonably pricey lens investment.
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http://www.pbase.com/daddyo
 
I tried the 300D, E20 and E10. For $500 for a clean, used E-10 unit, $35 for a two-year mack camera warranty from B&H Photo and there you have it. In my opinion, a comparable Canon kit would be the body and a $400 lens, which adds up to $1200. Add $80 for a three year warranty and you almost hit $1300. I don't think the Canon is over 150% better. In fact, with the 300D and kit lens, I found the E-10 to produce better photos. The E-20 is not worth the extra megapixels in my opinion and in my case, I prefer the E-10 shots and camera performance over the E-20. The 300D is fast and has 6 megapixels and is a great camera all around. But when money comes into it, the E-10 is a greater value.

Good Luck.
Funky Fat Rat said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the state of the E-20 vs. the Canon
digital Rebel?

Does the newer rebel provide more back for the buck?
I'm looking into another upgrade and i'm not quite sure whether i
should select the E20 or get the Rebel???

--
  • Vince
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xRAzORx said:
Good Luck.
Funky Fat Rat said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the state of the E-20 vs. the Canon
digital Rebel?

Does the newer rebel provide more back for the buck?
I'm looking into another upgrade and i'm not quite sure whether i
should select the E20 or get the Rebel???

--
  • Vince
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Vince
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Save a little more and get the 10d. I used the E10 for a few years in pro shoots and made some good money with it ! But as time went on I needed somthing Faster with a better iso so now the 10d is my new girl!
I loved my E10 but the diff between the E10 & 10d is like a VCR vs a DVD !
as with all technology Im sure the 10d will come to pass through my hands
also.... I always had a problem focusing in dark rooms with the olympus

which drove me crazy, that has almost gone with the 10d. I use the digital Rebel as a back up camera its a bit on the plastic side but takes great pictures , the big difference you will notice with the canon is in the noise or lack of it . Hope this helped some

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Paul Vivona NovaDigital Imaging
Long Island NY
 
Thanks for the words of experience...

I think I'd have to give it some though considering the speed these cameras get updated. reminds me very much the way the computers went in the past. there will reach a point where the performance will exceed our realistic needs. but then again, who wants to wait until then :-)
papa51 said:
Just a little more food for thought....I do like the Canon product
and will probably go for 10D myself if I make a move. Also Nikon is
suppose to announce their response/camera to the DR if that means
anything to you.

Cheers, Bill
markE said:
Phil Arnold said:
.....Terry Alexander's gallery at:

http://www.pbase.com/terdonal

Terry has both an Exx and a D Rebel. He takes outstanding pictures
with both and has several of them posted on his Pbase Gallery.

Terry posts here and in the Canon forum as terdonal. You might
search for some of his posts here as well.
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I agree. Terry having used both of these cameras (and uses them
well I might add), is probably a very good source for advice.
Peter also summed the differences very well.

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markE
'Walk softly, and carry big glass'
pbase supporter

'In wildness lies the preservation of the world.'
-Henry David Thoreau
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke/gallery/wingsoflight

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Bill Wallace
dpreview & pbase supporter
http://www.pbase.com/papa51
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  • Vince
 
Funky Fat Rat said:
Does anyone have an opinion on the state of the E-20 vs. the Canon
digital Rebel?

Does the newer rebel provide more back for the buck?
I'm looking into another upgrade and i'm not quite sure whether i
should select the E20 or get the Rebel???

--
  • Vince
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The E-20 is a great camera imo but bang for the buck the DRebel is a great camera. If I had the option of choosing one or the other to buy after using both I would go with the DRebel. Peter has summed up the differences quite well but the mirror slap is slightly exagerated. Even though the DRebel is plastic with the battery grip and a larger lens on it feels just fine to me and I disagree with the view finder, I like the DRebel one as well or even better than the E-20. I have the 18-55 kit lens, 28-135 IS USM, 75-300 IS USM lenses ,50 1.8 lens, battery grip and still cost less than my full E-20 compliment of lipo grip, 3 batteries, spare charger, Tcon 300, WA and macro lens, Tcon 14b all won off e-bay this year at good prices. Also Peter comments regarding colour is subjective.

I am keeping my E-20 but I will probably sell off all accessories except the WA lens and maybe the grip and 1 battery and use it for landscape. I cannot get anywhere near the quality of picture shooting long with my E-20 as I can with the DRebel and much easier to do as well. The DRebel has some short comings compared to the 10D but nothing I haven't been able to deal with or work around. Dust not an issue yet but it is always in the back of your mind and that is one thing you do not have to worry about with the E-20.

Having said all that it was my love for the E-20 that got me to even consider the DRebel as I knew I could expand and improve with more tools and I think I have. The E-1, I would love to have but the cost is way too much up here and some stores will not even bring it in because of that so I chose the Canon route for now. Who knows what the future will bring. Good luck in your decision, neither one is wrong.

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Terry
http://www.pbase.com/terdonal
 
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