Z9 serial numbers (continuation thread)

ajm057 said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

ajm057 said:

28 Jan and 21 March

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Just below 6500 was delivered to a UK retailer on 28th Feb.

If the 21st March deliver is higher than 6500 it would be a new EU/UK data point if sent to photosynthesis.co.nz

Nobody is required to advise pohotosynthesis. It does seem interesting to at least some of us that there seem to be no data points for EU/UK after 28th February - and numerous ones for USA.

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On has to asks why does this seem to matter so much to you and others.
AND how would you know precisely which body is shipped where. Whose business is it other than Nikons?
I happen to have 2 Z9, 400mm and 800mm both were bought via top UK based suppliers - how they got hold of them is up to them and Nikon Europe.
I might well get a 3rd body or wait for the Z8 from the same sources or different who knows? It will all depend on how urgent my need is.
Provided these cameras work and come with warranties valid in the UK (and worldwide - in that order) why should I or you care?

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First and foremost, this is a gear site. These threads will exist, especially for flagship product. I personally don't care, but I get why some do.

Mackiesback said:

ajm057 said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

ajm057 said:

28 Jan and 21 March

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Just below 6500 was delivered to a UK retailer on 28th Feb.

If the 21st March deliver is higher than 6500 it would be a new EU/UK data point if sent to photosynthesis.co.nz

Nobody is required to advise pohotosynthesis. It does seem interesting to at least some of us that there seem to be no data points for EU/UK after 28th February - and numerous ones for USA.

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On has to asks why does this seem to matter so much to you and others.
AND how would you know precisely which body is shipped where. Whose business is it other than Nikons?
I happen to have 2 Z9, 400mm and 800mm both were bought via top UK based suppliers - how they got hold of them is up to them and Nikon Europe.
I might well get a 3rd body or wait for the Z8 from the same sources or different who knows? It will all depend on how urgent my need is.
Provided these cameras work and come with warranties valid in the UK (and worldwide - in that order) why should I or you care?

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First and foremost, this is a gear site. These threads will exist, especially for flagship product. I personally don't care, but I get why some do.

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I have been using Nikon cameras for 45 years, since 1977. Needless to say I have invested a lot in Nikon gear, in both the F mount and now Z mount. How well the Z9 is selling and how well Nikon manages to deliver them reflect the health of Nikon as a company. At least to me, that is fairly important, just like whether the Z9 (and other Nikon bodies, lenses) has a lot of defects and buggy firmware is important to me.

20 years ago, before digital became so popular with great quality, I determined that 35mm film wasn't good enough for large prints and decided to invest in a medium format film camera, and my logic was that I would replace film with a digital back when the time arrived. After carefully considered it for two years, I bought a Contax 645 body, two Contax Zeiss lenses and two interchangeable film backs. I thought it was a great choice for a while. However, a few yeas after that, Contax was losing too much money and got out of the camera business altogether, and I am left with orphaned products.

Back in 2011 when Nikon introduced the 1" mirrorless cameras, Nikon USA sent me a sample to test. I used the V1 for a while with two kit lenses. I managed to get some fine images and they printed to 8x10 just fine, but I never liked those tiny camera bodies without sufficient dedicated buttons and was suspicious about the tiny sensor. As a result I never bought any Nikon 1 products. After about 5 years, Nikon eventually pulled the plug on the entire Nikon 1 line.

shuncheung said:

a brand new Nikon Z9 serial number from the US: 3020479 as of 14 June, 2022. Looks like over 10K Z9 have been delivered to the US. Recall that the US serial number jumped by 10K a few weeks ago.

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With the uncertainty of relatively few serial numbers being reported it seems USA deliveries may be running about 10% higher than for the EU/UK

Leonard Shepherd said:

shuncheung said:

a brand new Nikon Z9 serial number from the US: 3020479 as of 14 June, 2022. Looks like over 10K Z9 have been delivered to the US. Recall that the US serial number jumped by 10K a few weeks ago.

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With the uncertainty of relatively few serial numbers being reported it seems USA deliveries may be running about 10% higher than for the EU/UK

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And I saw a Canadian Z9: 400095*. Not sure how new that one is, but it seems to confirm that the Canadian market is roughly 10% of the size of the US.

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months. That is a lot for a flagship body. Another trend I noticed is that some intermediate photographers are getting the Z9, not merely pros and advanced amateurs, based on the questions asked on various forums, e.g. here and on Facebook. Some of those are more basic questions that I would more associate with e.g. D3500, Z50 owners. Perhaps the $5500 price tag, while still high but less than other flagships such as the Sony A1, Nikon D6, has broadened the Z9’s appeal.

shuncheung said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

shuncheung said:

a brand new Nikon Z9 serial number from the US: 3020479 as of 14 June, 2022. Looks like over 10K Z9 have been delivered to the US. Recall that the US serial number jumped by 10K a few weeks ago.

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With the uncertainty of relatively few serial numbers being reported it seems USA deliveries may be running about 10% higher than for the EU/UK

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And I saw a Canadian Z9: 400095*. Not sure how new that one is, but it seems to confirm that the Canadian market is roughly 10% of the size of the US.

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months. That is a lot for a flagship body. Another trend I noticed is that some intermediate photographers are getting the Z9, not merely pros and advanced amateurs, based on the questions asked on various forums, e.g. here and on Facebook. Some of those are more basic questions that I would more associate with e.g. D3500, Z50 owners. Perhaps the $5500 price tag, while still high but less than other flagships such as the Sony A1, Nikon D6, has broadened the Z9’s appeal.

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Yes the price of this new Nikon Flagship falls way below most other brands like Sony, Leica etc... Yes myself is more inline with a Z50 Owner then a Z9 but its a Z9 for a guy that does not even have a Z lens yet for it.. Just goes to show that anyone can buy and own one of the Z9's if these so choose....

shuncheung said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

With the uncertainty of relatively few serial numbers being reported it seems USA deliveries may be running about 10% higher than for the EU/UK

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And I saw a Canadian Z9: 400095*. Not sure how new that one is, but it seems to confirm that the Canadian market is roughly 10% of the size of the US.

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Your 10% for Canada relative to USA seems reasonably accurate.

Several serial numbers posted on this forum fail to reach the photosynthesis site.

This unfortunately introduces elements of guesswork working out actual numbers and market share.

shuncheung said:

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months

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Ricci mentioned about 3,500 units a month about 6 months ago.

It is likely Nikon started producing Z9 month bodies about two months before actual delivery, adding final firmware about two weeks before delivery.

This makes around 40,000 so far in customers hands a reasonable estimate.

shuncheung said:

That is a lot for a flagship body.

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For a current Nikon flagship body - yes.

shuncheung said:

Another trend I noticed is that some intermediate photographers are getting the Z9, not merely pros and advanced amateurs, based on the questions asked on various forums, e.g. here and on Facebook. Some of those are more basic questions that I would more associate with e.g. D3500, Z50 owners. Perhaps the $5500 price tag, while still high but less than other flagships such as the Sony A1, Nikon D6, has broadened the Z9’s appeal.

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Most cameras in some respects can outperform the photographic capabilities of their owners.

I get the impression from some questions asked that a few Z9 owners can achieve little more than 10% of what a Z9 can.

This must be frustrating to highly skilled photographers waiting in the delivery queue

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In lots of ways good photography is much more about how equipment is used rather than anything else.

Just an Anecdote

Last week, we bumped into Andrew Stein of Henry's camera, whilst we were in Iceland for a Nikon event. He said the "Big 3" were all terrible for supply but Nikon was the worst, but had the most current demand and fewest after sales issues.

Leonard Shepherd said:

shuncheung said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

With the uncertainty of relatively few serial numbers being reported it seems USA deliveries may be running about 10% higher than for the EU/UK

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And I saw a Canadian Z9: 400095*. Not sure how new that one is, but it seems to confirm that the Canadian market is roughly 10% of the size of the US.

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Your 10% for Canada relative to USA seems reasonably accurate.

Several serial numbers posted on this forum fail to reach the photosynthesis site.

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I updated Roland with that Canadian Z9 serial number a few days ago, but it looks like he has a further update to 4001398. In other words, Canadian shipment seems to be more than 10% of the US.

Just checked: the US population is 329M, Canada 38M, UK 67M, and Australia 25.7M. In other words, the US population is about 8.6 times that of Canada, not quite 10 times.

I have been updating Roland with the latest serial numbers I have seen. For whatever reason, some people love to post their new camera boxes to the web (not necessarily to this very forum), and their serial numbers are in full view.

Leonard Shepherd said:

I get the impression from some questions asked that a few Z9 owners can achieve little more than 10% of what a Z9 can.

This must be frustrating to highly skilled photographers waiting in the delivery queue

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I have been using Nikon cameras for 45 years and am probably as advanced an amateur as you can get, and I shoot both still and video with Z bodies, but I am sure I am merely using a fraction of the capabilities in the Z9.

At least in the US, today one can order and Z9 and receive it within 2 months. I just spoke with a Nikon rep about that. There is some wait but it is not extremely long any more. The main issue is whether one can afford the $5500 price tag.

Leonard Shepherd said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months

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Ricci mentioned about 3,500 units a month about 6 months ago.

It is likely Nikon started producing Z9 month bodies about two months before actual delivery, adding final firmware about two weeks before delivery.

This makes around 40,000 so far in customers hands a reasonable estimate.

Leonard Shepherd said:

That is a lot for a flagship body.

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For a current Nikon flagship body - yes.

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For perspective, Nikon D4 was announced in Jan 2012.

I got in in Nov 2012 - serial number was 2032169. That's 32,000 units for EU alone in less than 1 year.

Leonard Shepherd said:

shuncheung said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

With the uncertainty of relatively few serial numbers being reported it seems USA deliveries may be running about 10% higher than for the EU/UK

Click to expand...

And I saw a Canadian Z9: 400095*. Not sure how new that one is, but it seems to confirm that the Canadian market is roughly 10% of the size of the US.

Click to expand...

Your 10% for Canada relative to USA seems reasonably accurate.

Several serial numbers posted on this forum fail to reach the photosynthesis site.

This unfortunately introduces elements of guesswork working out actual numbers and market share.

Leonard Shepherd said:

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months

Click to expand...

Ricci mentioned about 3,500 units a month about 6 months ago.

It is likely Nikon started producing Z9 month bodies about two months before actual delivery, adding final firmware about two weeks before delivery.

This makes around 40,000 so far in customers hands a reasonable estimate.

Leonard Shepherd said:

That is a lot for a flagship body.

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For a current Nikon flagship body - yes.

Leonard Shepherd said:

Another trend I noticed is that some intermediate photographers are getting the Z9, not merely pros and advanced amateurs, based on the questions asked on various forums, e.g. here and on Facebook. Some of those are more basic questions that I would more associate with e.g. D3500, Z50 owners. Perhaps the $5500 price tag, while still high but less than other flagships such as the Sony A1, Nikon D6, has broadened the Z9’s appeal.

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Most cameras in some respects can outperform the photographic capabilities of their owners.

I get the impression from some questions asked that a few Z9 owners can achieve little more than 10% of what a Z9 can.

This must be frustrating to highly skilled photographers waiting in the delivery queue

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There is no rules or regulations on whom gets to purchase a Z9 as long as one has the funds to purchase one.. Nikon could give a hoot how many % your ability is in using the camera. You have the money and want one you buy one just like buying a home, car,watch,boat, etc etc etc......

Dibyendu Majumdar said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

Member said:

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months

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Ricci mentioned about 3,500 units a month about 6 months ago.

It is likely Nikon started producing Z9 month bodies about two months before actual delivery, adding final firmware about two weeks before delivery.

This makes around 40,000 so far in customers hands a reasonable estimate.

Member said:

That is a lot for a flagship body.

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For a current Nikon flagship body - yes.

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For perspective, Nikon D4 was announced in Jan 2012.

I got in in Nov 2012 - serial number was 2032169. That's 32,000 units for EU alone in less than 1 year.

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According to Roland Vink’s web site, for single-digit D bodies, Nikon didn’t use country/continent-specific serial numbers until the D5.

It looks like for the D4, the US has one set of serial numbers starting with 3. The rest of the world uses another sequence starting with 2. The D3 has only one sequence world wide.

shuncheung said:

Dibyendu Majumdar said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

shuncheung said:

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months

Click to expand...

Ricci mentioned about 3,500 units a month about 6 months ago.

It is likely Nikon started producing Z9 month bodies about two months before actual delivery, adding final firmware about two weeks before delivery.

This makes around 40,000 so far in customers hands a reasonable estimate.

shuncheung said:

That is a lot for a flagship body.

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For a current Nikon flagship body - yes.

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For perspective, Nikon D4 was announced in Jan 2012.

I got in in Nov 2012 - serial number was 2032169. That's 32,000 units for EU alone in less than 1 year.

Click to expand...

According to Roland Vink’s web site, for single-digit D bodies, Nikon didn’t use country/continent-specific serial numbers until the D5.

It looks like for the D4, the US has one set of serial numbers starting with 3. The rest of the world uses another sequence starting with 2. The D3 has only one sequence world wide.

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True, so 32000 units in 10 months excluding US.

That is still going to be tough for Z9 to beat.

Dibyendu Majumdar said:

shuncheung said:

Dibyendu Majumdar said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

Member said:

Globally, Nikon must have shipped close to 40K Z9 in about 6 months

Click to expand...

Ricci mentioned about 3,500 units a month about 6 months ago.

It is likely Nikon started producing Z9 month bodies about two months before actual delivery, adding final firmware about two weeks before delivery.

This makes around 40,000 so far in customers hands a reasonable estimate.

Member said:

That is a lot for a flagship body.

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For a current Nikon flagship body - yes.

Click to expand...

For perspective, Nikon D4 was announced in Jan 2012.

I got in in Nov 2012 - serial number was 2032169. That's 32,000 units for EU alone in less than 1 year.

Click to expand...

According to Roland Vink’s web site, for single-digit D bodies, Nikon didn’t use country/continent-specific serial numbers until the D5.

It looks like for the D4, the US has one set of serial numbers starting with 3. The rest of the world uses another sequence starting with 2. The D3 has only one sequence world wide.

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True, so 32000 units in 10 months excluding US.

That is still going to be tough for Z9 to beat.

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First of all, we are making a lot of assumptions with inaccurate numbers here. Therefore, please take this discussion with a grain of salt.

Assuming that US is about 1/3 of the world-wide camera market, if Nikon sold 32K D4 in 10 months world-wide except for the US, the total number should be 1.5 times 32K or 48K total world-wide for the D4 in 10 months.

Nikon has shipped 40K Z9 in less than 6 months, and the Z9 is still going strong with a waiting list. My Nikon rep told me yesterday that currently it takes about 2 months of waiting to get one, but it looks like if you order directly from Nikon USA, the wait is about one month. Just assume we can sustain the 3500 per month rate for another 4 months, we'll add 14000 Z9 to 40K even before the end of 10 months. 54K in 10 months for the Z9 will easily beat the 48K figure for the D4.

One of the problems for the Z9 shipment is still Covid and the related supply-chain issues. Yesterday I was at San Jose Camera with reps from the main brands. The Sony rep was also talking about supply-chain issues and Sony is having a hard time with delivery also.

Leonard Shepherd said:

This must be frustrating to highly skilled photographers waiting in the delivery queue

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No kidding, my D800 failed on me suddenly over 2 months ago and i'm in urgent need of a body to get my work done.

I'm on several "waiting lists" but nobody will tell me if i'll have a body to get my jobs done end of this month.

LensWizard said:

There is no rules or regulations on whom gets to purchase a Z9 as long as one has the funds to purchase one.. Nikon could give a hoot how many % your ability is in using the camera. You have the money and want one you buy one just like buying a home, car,watch,boat, etc etc etc......

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This has not been true - for the EU/UK.

Nikon NPS members get priority - and generally seem to get a Z9 in about 4 weeks.

Leonard Shepherd said:

LensWizard said:

There is no rules or regulations on whom gets to purchase a Z9 as long as one has the funds to purchase one.. Nikon could give a hoot how many % your ability is in using the camera. You have the money and want one you buy one just like buying a home, car,watch,boat, etc etc etc......

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This has not been true - for the EU/UK.

Nikon NPS members get priority - and generally seem to get a Z9 in about 4 weeks.

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I was in SriLanka from October of 2021 until the middle of may 2022 and as soon as I came home, I called a camera shop I spend quite a bit of money at and in 3 days I had a brand new Z( setting at my doorstep and I am not NPS or what ever it is.. The Camera Shop never ask if I was NPS etc etc etc as he just took my CC Info and sent me a camera... I will have the 400 and 800Z from them quite soon also {HOPEFULLY}....

Leonard Shepherd said:

LensWizard said:

There is no rules or regulations on whom gets to purchase a Z9 as long as one has the funds to purchase one.. Nikon could give a hoot how many % your ability is in using the camera. You have the money and want one you buy one just like buying a home, car,watch,boat, etc etc etc......

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This has not been true - for the EU/UK.

Nikon NPS members get priority - and generally seem to get a Z9 in about 4 weeks.

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I don't know where you are, but i'm in EU, i'm NPS and there is no priority at all for NPS or professionals.

No matter which store, (or Nikon direct), no way to get anything sooner than the shops own que which seems to be more based who knows who..

Voyager7777 said:

Leonard Shepherd said:

LensWizard said:

There is no rules or regulations on whom gets to purchase a Z9 as long as one has the funds to purchase one.. Nikon could give a hoot how many % your ability is in using the camera. You have the money and want one you buy one just like buying a home, car,watch,boat, etc etc etc......

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This has not been true - for the EU/UK.

Nikon NPS members get priority - and generally seem to get a Z9 in about 4 weeks.

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I don't know where you are, but i'm in EU, i'm NPS and there is no priority at all for NPS or professionals.

No matter which store, (or Nikon direct), no way to get anything sooner than the shops own que which seems to be more based who knows who..

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The NPS priority stopped once shipping started i.e. Only pre orders before that date.

LensWizard said:

There is no rules or regulations on whom gets to purchase a Z9 as long as one has the funds to purchase one.. Nikon could give a hoot how many % your ability is in using the camera. You have the money and want one you buy one just like buying a home, car,watch,boat, etc etc etc......

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Sadly, that is true. Personally, I'd like some priority to be given to those - whether amateur or profressional - who are actually planning to use the camera.

Vince P said:

The NPS priority stopped once shipping started i.e. Only pre orders before that date.

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That is not the case in the US. Nikon started shipping the Z9 on December 23, 2021. Early in 2022, US NPS members could still order their first Z9 and receive it within a week or two, or maybe three, while everybody else was waiting for much longer.

However, each NPS members has priority for one unit only for each photo product. And supply has ease by now so that the wait is much shorter overall.

Looks like NPS in Europe is handling it differently.