Where is the successor to the original EOS R?

Kokopelli_Rocks wrote:

Oh, let's be honest and dispense with any vagaries: all of these cameras are niche products. There's a sports niche and a pro niche and a video niche and a resolution niche. Niche in the way I used it was not to imply it was a niche product and others weren't, it was more in terms of the market segment.

I don't see Canon replacing the camera. Like others have said, the R was a camera to help Canon quickly enter the mirrorless market.

Quickly? Find me one single person that believes Canon (Canon!) entered the full frame ILC market "quickly". How long had the 5DIV sensor been around? Years. How long does it take to develop an entirely new mount? Years.

Is it your contention that RF lenses were being designed (years) and an RF mount was being designed and suddenly one day someone went to the camera engineers and said "here, we have this new mount and these new lenses and need a body in six months"?

Canon waited FIVE YEARS after the release of the Sony a7 to release their own FF ILC. Please explain to me how they "quickly entere[ed] the mirrorless market."

Totally misunderstood my comment and those of others here. Everyone knows Caon was WAY TOO LATE entering the mirrorless market.

I'm not sure of that. They had a booming DSLR line. People (enthusiasts and maybe professionals) may have wanted Canon to join the ILC market, but people who buy cameras still snatched up Canon bodies.

When Canon finally woke up and realized they were in deep trouble they quickly scrambled together a camera to enter the market.

They did? They scrambled to design a whole new mount and amazing new lenses? They created the R with just recycled old stuff? But the R had an entirely new control on it and a different body. Didn't look rushed to me.

As BirdShooter7 mentions the initial camera was pretty much a disaster

He never characterized it that way. Also, saying it is a "jack of all trades and master of none" was also unsupported by simple fact. Did anyone claim the 5DIV fit that category? Nah. It was just a smaller, cheaper 5DIV. That's it.

and took several firmware updates to get it working right.

It took one to fix the AF issue. ALL bodies require firmware fixes these days, and almost always pretty serious fixes. This in no way supports your conclusion.

You can pontificate all you want.

Is that what you call it? I'm pointing out holes in your logic, that's all.

I would easily put money on the fact there will never be an R replacement.

How much?

The camera was a one off. Now Canon has an RF plan. Canon will replace the RP with a little higher end model

Why? It was a repackaged 6DII just like the R was a repackaged 5DIV. Where is the 5DIV equivalent in the R line now?

and that will be the lower price FF offering. I could be wrong but I don't think I am based on my Canon experience. Shooting Canon cameras since 1981, EOS since early 90's and Canon digitals since 2000.

Sure. I've been shooting Canon since the 10D.

I don't work for Canon and have know knowledge of their plans.

Ditto.

The R7 is exactly what I thought it would be, except I had figured Canon would developed a new sensor.

Why would they do that? They used the 5DIV sensor in the R, and then they used the 90D sensor in the first crop, R7. Notice the R7 also uses and entirely new control for Canon. Is the R7 also a prototype or pilot or scrambled release?

I personally do not see any replacement coming from Canon in the R niche. I do think Canon will replace the RP

Just as much a niche camera as the R. Your varying standards for these two is baffling. The low cost, entry point niche.

with a new low cost FF RF camera that will be the new offering for those who want a lower priced FF option. I see the new camera as the RF 6Dx replacement. I believe the camera will be an upscaled RP, but R users will be disappointed in the offering.

The RP is already the 6DII replacement. It uses the exact same sensor. Of course R users would be disappointed because sensor performance of the RP is both low resolution and low dynamic range even by 2019 standards when it was released.

Hopefully the new RP will have a new advanced sensor, not a retread like the R, RP, R7.

Why would any RP/6D NOT have a retread? It's the budget body. Of course it's going to have an old sensor. That's what makes it cheap.

I have zero doubt when Canon updates their sub $2K FF there will be only one model. You are welcome to believe what you want. Since this is all pretty much useless speculation I have said my piece.

MSRP of the R at release for the body only was $2,299. The RP was $1,299.  Why would an R replacement be less than $2,299? Who believes an R Mark II would cost less than $2,000? I never claimed that, never implied it, and I've never heard anyone suggest that.